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I feel like most everyone* who cares about distros likes Debian. It may not be the right distro for your use case, but you’re glad it’s around.
*I’m sure even Debian has it’s haters. But I think it’s a minority.I use it because it feels like the most Linux-ey of Linuxes (Linuxii??). I don’t know how else to describe it. It’s like, no bullshit, just Linux. Here’s the Lego pieces, go have fun.
As a long-time Debian user, I’d have to throw my vote behind Slackware for the title of most UNIX-y, which is I guess a bit different from most Linux-y.
Debian got me through grad school, but Slack got me through undergrad on a hopelessly underpowered old ThinkPad — Volkerding is a legend, and Slack will always be dear to my heart.
Never experienced Slackware so I can’t compare, sorry. When I got into Linux in like, 2002, I was using Mandrake before they died, and didn’t hear much of Slackware at the time.
I had a friend that was a couple years older that was running it on a home web server though. Back when people ran home web servers. This dude would sit there and use the keyboard the entire time even in OSes like Windows, he memorized every goddamn shortcut and macro that exists. Had a dusty mouse next to his system almost never being used. Probably just to satisfy the BIOS self test.
There is no self test for mouse, just keyboard.
I feel like most everyone
Beware the false consensus. Not all birds are seagulls, but get a plate of chips and that’s all you’ll see.
That’s a new metaphor for me. I like it! And I want some chips now. Either the British or American kind.
Do seagulls even eat crisps? (I suppose I’m more interested in how they’d go about it)
I don’t really like debian. I can respect it as a good distro that’s based and all, but It doesn’t fit my use case of ‘just works’ the same way my steamdeck does (in regards to gaming and Windows similarly). For that I’ve found Bazzite or Kubuntu for their usage of KDE. (also manjaro was buggy 🤷♀️)
I still can’t decide if I want to use Arch based to be similar to my SteamDeck, or Ubuntu based because dealing with packages is confusing.
However I have semi-given up on Linux for my desktop PC because Nvidia sucks and I’ll try again on my semi-anually “ooo let’s try Linux again!” after Microsoft makes another dumb change. I’m gonna stick with it one day lol
Give up on nvidia, IMO.
Debian is independent, OG, a base of so many distros, it is objectively the most stable Linux in existence, it has its own libre kernel…what’s not to love?
Ah, right.
systemd.
Exactly, same as Arch… which is why I used Arch for like 2 weeks and then hopped to Void. Sorry, but it was the same bullshit all over again, services not running properly, slow boot time, services stalling at shutdown… I’m sorry but, with the words of Garry Oldman, I haven’t got time for this Mickey Mouse bullshit!
Runit on the other hand… it just works. Set it and forget it!
I personally have little issues with systemd (okay, services can stall sometimes, true), but I appreciate brave minds who use other init systems and keep the variety for us to enjoy should we want to.
Just mentioned it as one of the few controversies surrounding Debian :D But then, on the other hand, there’s Devuan for those folks as well…
I feel like everybody at least has a Debian based distro they like unless they’re going out of their way to be an arch tryhard, even if it’s not their #1 overall.
Two individuals agree on an objective fact. Is this really a joke?
Debian is a joke, it is so far out of date it is unusable for anything except cave-painting or maybe a stone circle.
Ubuntu is way better.
I really can’t decide if this is serious or a joke
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That’s why noe one likes your jokes.
I could have you arrested for that comment.
I’m already locked up in apt hell. I was sentenced to 0.10 minor kernel versions before I get out.
I still have to click separately at login to load wayland-mode in kde version 5.pre-enlightenment - like a massive kloser. Otherwise I’m stuck with a pretty much indistinguishably different user experience.
As a Debian user (for two servers) and a Kubuntu user (because literally nothing else that ships with KDE supports my machine’s 5G modem), I’m sorry but I’m going to have to kill you. Nothing personal, you see, but we’ve had a vote and well, it was quite strongly in favor for your demise due to the statements you’ve made.
Terribly sorry about this. bang
because literally nothing else that ships with KDE supports my machine’s 5G modem…
Why not just take that module, build it yourself, add the firmware package as well, repackage it and install it on whatever distro you like. I know, it sounds like a lot of work, but you only have to do it once… or maybe twice, depending on what is removed/added in future kernels.
I tried a slew of distros - some recognize the modem, but nothing more, most don’t even see/interact with it. It took hours of combing through outdated forums, mailing lists, wiki, etc to find commands that would not only see the modem, but unlock it and connect successfully. This was found on the Debian unstable wiki, and the system would install but fail to boot on stable, so I have no idea if the instructions work for Debian. Kubuntu however, boots successfully on that machine (a ThinkPad) and the modem “works” (is seen) ootb and can be unlocked + used successfully with the rest of the commands in that wiki page.
The fact that I tried nearly a dozen distros, and I tinkerer with it for a literal month, I’m not touching shit. I didn’t want to go Ubuntu for this machine, but cell connectivity (and hotspot hosting) is a 100% requirement, so I’m using what works.
I’m a moderate nix user but fuck packaging my own drivers and figuring out what software packages are needed to enable the modem. 20 years ago, sure. Now, fuck no, it should “just work”. PTSD from wifi not working, requiring windows drivers in a wrapper, etc. I’m not diving into that again, nope nope nope.
The fact that I tried nearly a dozen distros, and I tinkerer with it for a literal month, I’m not touching shit.
Lol 😂, yeah, I can understand that. You just want things to work, totally understandable.
Now, fuck no, it should “just work”.
Agreed. I can understand things not just working 20 years ago, but in this day and age, yes, they should just work.
I think money is the main issue… for most of the devs working on Linux, this is a fun side project, not an actual job. So, they dedicate spare time to this, nothing more. It’s the sad truth I’m afraid.
A bit of ranting about this machine:
This is my first TP machine (X13 Gen 2, Intel) and while it is fine as a very-overpriced business unit (seriously, it should cost half the asking price - and then I paid for 5y of top tier warranty and support on top of that, as it’s my first TP and I don’t trust past praise to equal future quality), I was surprised, annoyed, to find that there is absolutely no Linux support for it. Like yeah, it shipped with win 10 pro, but several similar machines have at least Ubuntu and something else officially supported, can’t remember off the top of my head. My suspicion is that it’s due to the (lack) of cell modems in those units. I don’t think Lenovo wants these units with, I guess ‘potential liability’, getting unlocked and used in non-Windows environments. That might be all bullshit but they sure as fuck aren’t going to give an honest answer about it.
I went with the TP because it was offered through my cell carrier, so compatability was guaranteed, and because everyone is like ‘woo ThinkPad!’ but… it’s fine, but it’s not this steamrolling, ass-kicking, blazing machine and experience that I was foretold. Hell, the battery has had to be replaced just 6 months into ownership, it would last 30 minutes full to empty with mere web browsing. The replacement, now a year later, is reporting like 88% life. I use this machine suuuuper lightly, as a glorified hotspot and web browser when I’m away at conventions and stuff. If they’ve cheaper out brutally hard on something as obvious as the battery, what else have they cheapest out on?
Anyway lol. Just venting.
Low effort bait
i use debian btw
I hate myself too.
Everyone knows that Windows 7 was peak Windows
You misspelled Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
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It’s true. Add scrolling of non-focused windows and it’s unbeatable.
I think Windows 10 has nailed it UI/UX-wise.
Too bad they enshittified it into oblivion.
Except for the start menu and right click menu, yeah, I’d agree. Luckily, you can bring both back if you wanted to.
I actually prefer the start menu of Windows 10 and appreciate KDE going a similar way on Linux
Meeh, each to his own 🤷.
Has there ever been a good version of Windows? Old versions were functional but terribly insecure and newer versions are reasonably secure but cloud connected ad platforms.
Windows 10 is probably the middle ground although the newer versions come with the same anti features Windows 11 has
Good question. I will say W7 because W10 necessitated an SSD to stay performant, so bloat and bullshit got rolled into W10
LTSC has almost the same performance as Win7… almost. It is runnable on a regular spinning drive.
Ltsc?
Long Term Support Channel. It’s Windows 10/11, but without all of the app crap. It’s frozen in time to when it was released, just takes security updates, no feature updates. Same as any Windows before 10.
The first release of 10 made my old laptop useless, so much delay it was not possible to perform real work. I switched that old thing to NixOS now it is like a new machine hosting web meetings, getting spreadsheet work done. All our work customers complained when the W10 upgrade happened by their IT departments, their engineering CAD suddenly took a performance hit. Just frustrating because tech is supposed to get better not worse.
Try LTSC 2019 (there are 2 other releases for 10, LTSC 2021 and LTSB 2016, back in 2016 it was named Long Term Support Branch). It’s almost like Win7 regarding speed… almost.
Not saying you should switch, but I dual boot because sometimes I need things that just don’t run even in Wine, so if I have to use Windows, I use LTSC. A lot less intrusive, doesn’t have the bullshit apps that come with regular Pro and Home, and, on top of that, 2019 has a 10 year support cycle (they changed it to 5 with LTSC 2021). So, basically, I’m covered till 2029.
Vista*
8.1 but go off
Thats the version I’ve seen people experience the most issues with relative to the time they’ve used it.
That’s because MS didn’t invest time and money in it after 10 came out. A lot of bugs went unfixed. But, if you fix the start menu and removed all the apps, that thing was unbeatable regarding speed. It was fairly faster than 7, even on a spinning drive.
Best MS OS regarding speed. If they fixed the bugs, it would have been even better than 7 or 10.
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I use Arch btw.
The one asks how to do something. The other gives 13 steps of instructions. The 14th step is “??? I don’t know. This is where I got stuck too in the same way as OP.”
The two started updating before you could read the end of the comic strip
If we weren’t a bunch dickheads who love fiddling with things, and instead just wanted a sensible OS that worked, we’d all be using Debian on everything.
you just offended the entire anti-system d club.
Your use of Liberation Serif will not go unnoticed.
Debian. Vista. And somewhere around Snow Leopard, though I stopped getting upgrades around that time so fuck you apple.
These are the selections of the peak power user, and they shall not be questioned, as the punishment is using Windows 8 for a month, followed by death, which will be merciful after that month.
I always think that Vista was alright, it just took a bullet for every version of Windows that followed. It introduced overdue changes to many long-standing Windows conventions, changes that still stand now. If Windows 7 had been the next one after XP then everyone would have hated that instead.
Another issue was that Vista had very steep system requirements, which Microsoft deliberately understated. As a result it ran like shit on a ton of machines despite them technically meeting the requirements.
What?
Vista was ass until the very end.
Windows 8.1 is the last best windows OS
You’re gonna get downvoted because of 8.1.
But yes, I do agree, 8.1 was great, a lot better than 10. The problem with it was the start menu (easily fixable) and the fact that MS didn’t invest money or time in it after 10 came out, so a lot of bugs went unfixed.
I never minded the metro menu tbh.
It’s funny that windows tried to do what is done on Linux (gnome) and Mac and got blasted for it.
I use a full screen style start menu everywhere else.
It was way too early. If that happened after 11, very few would mind. But it happened way too early. 7 had the classic 6.x kernel start menu, and 8 suddenly had… no start menu button at all 😬. That was their mistake, way too much change way too early.
I was looking for the bonus panel on the website and I realized this isn’t a real smbc comic when I looked again!
It references https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/a-bar-joke but it uses totally different panels. Someone was very dedicated to make this.
The meme equates ‘popular’ with ‘better’. There’s a very good reason we didn’t try to make an ubuntu back in 2002, and that reason - weak/bad validation of deployed package payload - is still true today.
If you care about build/release, precise validation is important to you. It’s one of the holy trinity of build/release.
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