Can a PhD (Or a doctorate or an MD) choose to use a gendered title instead of Dr? For example, suppose an AFAB PhD comes out as a trans man. Is he allowed to use Mister to affirm his gender? Or is he stuck in the gender neutral Doctor zone forever? Does he have to get knighted by the British monarchy in order to get a masculine title?

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    Most people with Ph.D don’t use the Dr title out of a formal setting.

    Between People thinking that you’re a physicianand asking about their health, and people thinking you’re pedantic. Better staying discrete.

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    As a PhD holder who has worked in healthcare, I really couldn’t use the title doctor because the chance for confusion with a medical practitioner is too high. That’s fine by me, I only use the title on rare occasions such as when speaking publicly in my area of experience. Please just call me Meyotch.

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      Meyotch is an interesting suffix to a person’s name.

      “I am Professor Patrick”

      “Professor?”

      Meyotch Professor Patrick!”

      /s

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      I have a PhD, the only time I use my title is when booking tickets for trains or planes with German companies.

      I’m a social scientist. Nobody hears the word “doctor” and thinks of a person like me.

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    No one has to do anything. Live your life. Choose how you want to be addressed.

    You don’t hear lawyers going around being called Dr. Lastname, despite having JDs.

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    Double up. Assert dominance. Demand to be referred to as ‘Mister Doctor’. Hmm… ‘Doctor Mister’? I think I like Mr. Dr. better.

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      If you’re a professor with a doctorate in Germany, the official way to refer to you is Professor Doctor [last name]. If you hold two doctorates it’s Professor Doctor Doctor.

      Professor is also a serious and registered title in Germany. You can’t just start a school and start handing out professorships without oversight and approval.

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        And you keep herr/frau, so technically it would be Frau Professorin Doctor Jones.

        Generally when opening an email you condense it, and simply refer to the person as “Sehr geehrte Frau Professorin Jones” - Very honoured ms. professor Jones. They’re very humble.

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    You can use your full name plus PhD at the end, that should make it easier for people to get the gender of the person, and looks better for those who are not medical doctors.

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    As a newly minted doctor, I prefer Dr. Drail because of the work I put in. I have seen three common name/title presentations though:

    Dr. Drail

    Dr. Drail, Ph.D.

    Mr. Drail, Ph.D.

    The last one obviously preserves a gendered title if desired. I tend to include my pronouns where applicable, as it makes clear my gender identity while allowing me to use the least cumbersome combo (Dr. Drail) without confusion. I haven’t ever met someone who double stacks their honorifics (ie Dr. Mr. Drail), but if you want to make clear your gender, there aren’t any rules against it, and it is common in some non-english speaking cultures.

    Ultimately, it is your title, your honorific, so you get to decide how to present it. I prefer to just go by my name 90% of the time, but while applying for jobs or introducing myself in a profesional capacity, Dr. Drail (he/him/his) is a really easy way to get all the info across succinctly.

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        I had to look up enby, and you have a good point. I don’t have an answer to that. I’m not sure what the best option is there. I think that Doctor is viewed as neutral at this point, but it isn’t for me to say. I mentioned the above for historical purposes but we could have options!

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        I call an enby doctor Doctor, ditto with men and women doctors - I tend to celebrate gender neutral titles because gender isn’t relevant to professional interactions. Someone intentionally misgendering is an asshole - but it’s unfortunate how much emphasis our language places on gender.

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    So far as I’m aware, non-occupational pre-nominal honorifics inure to the individual, so generally speaking, if that person doesn’t want to use their title, they don’t have to. And in the same way that most people will go along with someone’s acquired honorific of Dr or Capt or whatever, the same should also apply if someone expressed that their honorific should not used. I have no citation for this, other than what I’ve seen in life.

    As a sidenote, in Britain, I understand that medical doctors are able to use the pre-nominal of Dr, but surgeons specifically will drop the Dr and just use Mr. or Ms.

    Apparently this stems from ages ago when surgeons did not have to have a medical degree, and the doctoral view was that surgeons were akin to butchers. This may have reflected the crudeness of early surgeries. As a result, surgeons developed a history of being Mr – it’s not clear if female surgeons also took on Mr. So after the various laws/rules changed so that surgeons also had to be medically qualified, they still kept the tradition of Mr.

    Thus, a male student of medicine in the UK could go from Mr, graduate to Dr, and then graduate as a surgeon to Mr again. I have no citation for this either, but it’s plausible for the ardently traditional British nation.