I made this post saying that we should bend community rules sometime, but it get downvoted, so I think most Lemmy users disagree. I’m kinda confused - should I remove posts and ban users if they break rules even slightly?

For example, this post on !internetisbeautiful@lemm.ee doesn’t actually fit the community rules, but I didn’t delete it because it was made in good faith.

  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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    12 days ago

    Ignore any downvotes and do what you think is right. I’ve also been downvoted multiple times for posting good and helpful ideas. That’s just how this place works.

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    The way I moderate, is to be unashamedly selfish, with a sprinkling of impartiality.

    Basically, I do whatever I would want “the mods” to do if I were a user. Obviously, there are other users, but since the point of me bothering with the whole thing is to facilitate the kind of activity I personally enjoy, considerations for people who want my communities to be something different, is simply not a priority.

    Unless I joined a mod team that existed already, I decide.

    If someone complains or has a suggestion, I do make an effort to actually consider what they are saying, but then I still decide what will or won’t happen. I’m doing the work in order to have communities I actually like, not the adoration of a bunch of thankful users. If you compromise on the former for the latter, why even put in the effort? Either way, there will be a set of people who like what you do, and a set of people don’t. So why please other people at the expense of pleasing yourself?

    Unless you actually open things up to be voted on, the goal is to be a benevolent dictator. You can’t please everyone, but that doesn’t mean you have to make yourself one of the unhappy ones. You may be a mod, but we’re ALL users. That means what you want to do, even as a mod, matters too.

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      I think you just accidentally articulated the theory of virtue ethics. How do you know what you should do? Do what you think a good person would do. 😆

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      Yea, I agree you can’t please everyone. I have seen in so many subreddit rules that we are running dictatorship not democracy xD.

      Also, Entire this rule bending come to my mind after you got banned in touhou community. But thanks.

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        Exactly.

        So the best way IMO is to do whatever you think is right (and like another commenter said, make the only real rule be “don’t make me ban you”), and as long as you aren’t being insane, you’ll probably be pleasing the majority of users just by coincidence.

        I’d add that you should always be ready to change a decision, based on new events and arguments, or if you missed something. The biggest reason I think some mods go a little insane, is that they try to be infallible, but when they inevitably fail, they try to pretend the decision was correct anyway.

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    Lemmy users disagree with everything and hate themselves publicly. Ignore them. Continue acting in good faith and always use your best judgment.

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      12 days ago

      Didn’t ban or removed someone post or comment(Except mine for testing purpose)

  • Max-P@lemmy.max-p.me
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    One thing to be careful with allowing some bending of the rules, is some are going to start testing how far they can bend the rules. Everytime you bend a rule you create a precedent for it as well, and you get into nasty fights of why was I banned but not them and have your clemency hit you right back in the face.

    If it’s okay to bend some rules, then that should explicitly be the rule instead. Offtopic discussions for example, you can have a rule be “all top level comments should be on topic” as a balance, so offtopic discussions can happen, just not take over the whole comment section. If you allow something, make a mod comment explaining why for transparency and set the right expectations: “This post is off-topic but is generating on-topic discussion so we’re keeping it.”

    Similarly, well designed punishments goes a long way. For example, automatic ban after N warnings can be unfair. What you’re really after is, you don’t want to be warning that user every day to stay on topic. So the punishment can be more like “more than 3 warnings within 10 days results in a 7 day ban”. But sometimes the situation is such, you can rack in 10 warnings in the same threads. So you can make the punishment account for that: “If you get warned more than 3 times during a 14 day period, you will be banned for 7 days”. Or per thread, whatever makes sense. Understand common mistakes community members do and how you can steer them in the right direction without being unnecessarily harsh.

    With those two combined, it shouldn’t matter if you moderate like a robot or not. The expectations are clear, forgiving and fair while enforcing some order for repeat offenders. The rules have the flexibility you need baked in so you don’t have to bend the rules.

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    Don’t overthink it. I bend the rules in my communities quite often. The case that happens most often is somebody posting a duplicate of a news story. However, it is usually one or more days later and the new post usually picks up some comments from new people that didn’t comment on the previous post. I often let those slide. As long as people are trying to constructively engage in the community, then I give people the benefit of the doubt.

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    I usually lock posts that violate rule 5, for example. But usually remove ones that violate rule 1,3 or 4.

    As a fellow lemmy mod, I think that the post you mentioned that is about archive.org recovering should have been removed, because it just does not fit the theme of the community, regardless of whether it was made in good faith or not. You also shouldn’t always rely on what the members of the community say, you need to have your own judgement as a mod and make rational decisions.

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    Previous comments are spot on.

    One thing I would add is that Lemmy is a particularly sensitive case, because we really want to encourage activity and growth at this stage. It pains me when communities without much activity get a meme post or something that makes it into /all and the mods remove it for being off-topic.

    Overly strict moderation is one of the fastest ways to drive people away from a platform. Just follow your natural instincts and let people post what they want as long as it’s not harming anyone.

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    Each to their own I’d say, but I’m all for rule bending.

    I’ve always been up front about modding based on what I consider reasonable interpretation of the spirit of the rules combined with common sense. This means that some things that technically should or shouldn’t get deleted gets a treatment it wouldn’t get by strict interpretation of the rules in their literal meaning.

    That being said, my interpretation of the rules may not necessarily conform with those of other mods, so I rarely complain if someone else decides to overrule me.

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    The problem with bending established rules is that you now own that behavior and condone it.

    That being said and as others have noted, it might help to give yourself some wiggle room in the rules.

    You might also want to think about creating a moderation team so you’ve got a group of people to bounce ideas off of. Acting unilaterally against what most of your community wants generally kills most communities.