Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options, never mind putting them into a terminal window where they could seriously fuck up their machine. What about clicking the download link on a webpage, clicking next a few times and having them software on your machine, compared to having to build something from GitHub (how many people here have never had to do that?).
This applies to pretty much all “Linux good, Win/MacOS bad” memes. I just assume that people either aren’t really serious about them and it’s just tongue in cheek, or they don’t have any contact with regular people.
I used to work as a(n assistant to the) sysadmin and the things I got called over never stopped to amaze. For instance, there was a case when software was updated on the work machines and I got called because some lady couldn’t use Adobe Acrobat. “It is asking me something, I don’t know what”. I come over and it’s just a TOS Accept/Decline window.
Some people do not understand computers to an extent that they can lock up in a state of confusion when a button has been moved 100px in any direction from its usual position.
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Naah, i think they’re just ragebaiting all the MS fanboys.
It works too judging by all the shit in this forum.
The meme isn’t funny; but some of the reactions it provokes are hilarious. Though some of them are obviously counter-ragebait too. “Akshually i never have to restart to update windows since 2008”. :)
Let’s also not conflate “ease” with historical behavior.
Taking previous experience out of the equation, it is easier to type
apt upgradeand reboot to update your entire system than to click through 300 times in the system and multiple apps with reboots.That is a fact.
You don’t even need the terminal. There is a interface to update if you are using a DE.
Most normal people are nervous interacting with a GUI pop-up that gives them two options
Sadly no. They should be nervous if it’s about making changes to their system. In reality however Windows conditioned them to just click the button labeled “Yes” or “Okay” without even reading the pop-up in the first place.
Let’s not cherrypick scenarios to try and pretend Linux is easier than Windows. Most normal people are…
Let’s not cherry pick users then. I don’t care about your normal users. My experience is better on Linux.
Let’s not cherry pick users then. I don’t care about your normal users. My experience is better on Linux.
No restart require on Linux is a joke, right? Because I get updates that require restarts as often as I get them on Windows when updating Mint.
Unless you’re updating the kernel itself, there is little chance you actually need to reboot your machine. Just restarting whatever service or application you’re using should do the trick.
Just following the update manager instructions
You do you, it can’t hurt to reboot and work on a fresh restart. But if for some reasons you need to keep your machine up, you’ll know it is less of a problem than on windows typically
Kde neon made me reboot Everytime it updated. Turns out there was a setting I could disable. Afterwards I was never bugged about rebooting.
Used discover for updates
Maybe you have such a setting?
This is the same on Windows, you can just carry on and then complete an update when you go to shut down the machine. Can’t remember the last time an app install or update required the whole OS to be restarted immediately.
I remember what it’s called, but at some point there was an app for windows that would check if your machine actually needed a restart or not. Basically the “restart your machine” prompt is mostly just a boilerplate. It’s very rare that those installers touch anything that can’t actually be loaded without a restart.
I tried installing rust which required some Visual Studio compiler on a Windows machine configured to reset itself when rebooted. It decided I needed a reboot. I’m glad I didn’t have unsaved files…
Needless to say I could not run my program on that machine. Why does it need a reboot? I don’t know. It’s just meant to be a compiler.
And on some distros you can also just reload the kernel without rebooting
Yeah, but you’re going to pay for that.
Not necessarily, you can use
kexecYeah, when you use Arch, you may not pay in money, but you are going to pay, lol.
That’s just a doc, kexec is also available on Fedora, Debian, Centos, etc.
Been running endeavouros for over a year on two machines. The only time I couldn’t boot was when the Nvidia drivers decided not to work with the LTS kernel anymore. So I just started the normal kernel and changed that to the default in my boot manager. This is the only issue I’ve had with it and it’s arch based. I really don’t understand the bad reputation.
Also the arch wiki is applicable to most distros with only slight changes.
Even with kernel updates, you can use something like ksplice or kpatch to update it without rebooting. It’s usually only used on servers though.
Besides a kernel update… Which one?
Honest question, as I usually just restart to be sure I haven’t missed to restart a service or something, but theoretically I could restart every program and service, that got updated.
Maybe Mint is very conservative here…
Probably driver update, like nvidia?
Ah yeah, mostly kernel module updates go along with a kernel update. But you are right, yeah.
Although, should be possible to just reload the module and restart X/Wayland, no?
Practically speaking, restarting is easier anyway.
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Yep. I’m on EndeavourOS which is about as far as you can get from Mint without going to like Slackware, LFS, or BSD. Basically every single run of pacman prompts for a reboot. I’m sure I could restart individual services or subsystems instead, but that’s not what the OS popup says.
Afaik mint just says you have to restart but don’t forces you. Iirc it was there to avoud any glitches which could be caused by apps interacting with each other in different versions(say some system app got updated and desktop environment is still the old since its loaded before update then cause gui mismatch due to different versions of ui toolkit)
I mean, in this case Windows doesn’t force you to restart either, you can just keep chugging along with the restart icon at the bottom right… That icon can stay there for weeks on my girlfriend’s laptop
But that is update and restart. The update is not at all installed and will only install if you restart. And it takes a lot of time. But here it is already installed and you can actually reopen apps ti get them in the updated state
This was made by someone who has never used either
Eh, Windows complaints tend to get pretty hyperbolic much of the time. It’s slow and annoying but I’ve always worked with it
But the description of the Linux update process matches my experience with mint, pretty much. I even use the GUI update utility because it will put a little icon in the bottom corner of the screen. It’s quick even if I’m using a program that’s going an update, and if the kernel gets updated it’s just like “hey remember to reboot buddy!”
Besides missing dependencies or repositories for more nice software this kinda closely matches my experience though.
(Ignoring winget, becaust it is not really the mainstream way to install windows software)
What is your specific issue with this?
Mostly that this hasn’t been my experience with Windows for like 20 years.
They might as well bitch about dropping their punch cards.
I still (have to) download scetchy executables on Windows when I want to install most programms, while on debian I can install most programs via apt and a few repositories. Even when it’s not a standard repo I still prefer it over random executables because while the security is just as bad at least I get updates without having to open the program itself.
But what resonated with me most have been the restarts for updates. Happened way to often that I wanted to stop working but cant just shut down windows without updates and the accompanying reboots. (If I don’t check up in between to decrypt the disk on startups it’ll just sit there and run out the battery and I have to do the restarts on the next workday). On debian I just klick the power button, it hibernates (or I shut it down if I’m in the mood) and os updates are completely seperate from that.
What sketchy executables are you downloading?
What makes downloading steam from valve more sketchy than allowing a Linux repo to run arbitrary code as root on your machine for every single one of thousands of pieces of software maintained by strangers?
All software is maintained by strangers.
Some software websites just look sketchy but aren’t, which makes it harder for people to filter out the actual sketchy ones. That’s just the reality. Jokes about download pages with 4 download buttons also didn’t come falling out of the sky.
I haven’t had a DLL issue in Windows in like 20 years.
Open terminal
See whether the app is in my distro’s repos, flathub, or snapcraft (It’s not)
Go on the internet, search up the app’s name
Download the AppImage (might be a virus)
LibFuse2 is not installed (fuck me)
Install LibFuse2
Install Gearlever to integrate AppImage into my desktop
I can finally launch the app
Fuck, I hate AppImages so much. Never heard of gearlever, thanks i hope this helps a lot.
Edit: Ok Gearlever is pretty great! Now I can finally open Heroic normally. That pissed me off for so long.
> doesn’t use arch/nix
“why cant i find my package in the repos?”
Ah yes, downloading builds from unvetted third parties and running their installers as root. Truly the Linux way.
Clicking yes on the windows prompt for elevated rights for the installer to move things forward. Truly the Windows way.
People don’t even read the prompts anymore, clicking yes as soon as it appears. So much better.
and this is different to windows how …?
u do realize that u can (and should) read the
PGKBUILDfile? and check the git url which it’s cloning. or check the sha if its a binary package.Most windows stuff can be installed as non-admin these days.
I can’t remember the last time I got a DLL error on my Windows laptop, honestly. I don’t think that’s ever happened on my current computer.
I got one on my work laptop this week. It’s controlled by a shitty management software that is used by our IT, but still.
You’re forgetting winget. It’s actually really good.
Winget sucks ass. Fails half of the time, lists way too much I did not install through Winget m, even had apps broken because of bad updates through Winget.
Never had these problems with scoop or chocolatey though.
That sucks. I use it to handle all software on my work dev machine and haven’t had any issues so far. We basically use it to set up clean machines and it’s worked perfectly so far.
lists way too much I did not install through Winget
That’s one of the features though. You can update apps via Winget even if you didn’t originally install them via Winget.
It’s alright, but (in my experience) incredibly slow.
Been using Linux off and on since 2003-ish. I remember the days of having to compile applications and having to download various dependencies. Linux now is so streamlined and easy. Minus gentoo.
What? Once you set up gentoo properly, its as if not more streamlined than other distros
IDK, but I more often had issues with installing apps to Linux than to Windows, usually dependency-hell related ones, but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.
If you’re enabling Snap on Mint, you might as well install Ubuntu.
but once I had trouble enabling snap on Linux Mint.
Seems like a win
Mint activity tries to protect you from using snap.
What the actual fuck are you smoking?
At least update this meme to the 2010s if you won’t go to the 2020s
I don’t like windows either, but updating with Winget in terminal works pretty good. Not as good as with Linux, but better than downloading every app via browser.
Remember DLL hell in windows 2000? Damn that was rough.
I think the last time I saw a dll issue was windows 8.
WinGet: Am I a joke to you?
Winget-ui is great, except Microsoft hasn’t figured out to conceptually make two installs of the same product get treated the same – absolutely pathetic that if you install VLC from their website you can never ever ever use Winget VLC without uninstalling the other.
Android has that issue too. Can’t install the same app via fdroid and play store. Sounds logical though. Even Arch pacman won’t continue of it detects existing files it doesn’t know about.
That does work for me in general, might be a problem with the specific app where the 2 builds are somehow incompatible
Happens on…maybe 30% of installs
Tbh, with stuff like Winget and the respective GUI apps the process for installing or upgrading software is pretty much the same nowadays.
Genuinely the only people who use Winget or choco are Linux users who have to use Windows.
Or anyone that does automation. Pretty much any Windows sysadmin.
Missing dependency? Don’t you like living away from your parents?
