Digital streaming is displacing the last remnants of physical media.
In a disappointing turn of events, FlatpanelsHD reports that LG has ended production of its Blu-ray player series, which includes the UBK80 and UBK90 models. With limited stock available, prospective buyers should act quickly to secure the last remaining units before they are sold out.
After Samsung and Sony’s departure from physical media, LG was one of the last major manufacturers of Blu-ray players
Floppy drives died decades ago, yet you can still buy the drives and disks, brand new. This end of production will create a void, and it will be filled by someone else. No innovation will occur, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing here.
Sometimes the innovation continues, just not in a way beneficial to the masses generally, like tape drives
Never really bought into bluray. DVD was still good enough on early HD TVs, and at the time where the really good ones became affordable, you could buy decently sized HDDs and later SSDs for little money. Ever since my video library has been entirely digital.
Right, but if you want a digital video library that hasn’t been compressed to hell by some streaming company then your only option is using Blu-ray as a source.
I think the appeal of blu-ray today is for large amounts of long-term storage.
For you or I who just save the files we’re interested in, it’s not that big of a deal. For the archivists who provide those files, it could be significant.
It’s really about quality imo. Not all 4k video is equal, and streamed video tends to be especially bad. It’s possible to download decent quality video files, but they are all from blue ray rips. If blue ray goes away, streaming sites might be the only remaining source for digital video files, and high quality digital video will essentially die.
What are we supposed to use now? DVDs?
For physical media, yes actually. Plenty of DVDs still getting made and sold today, throught the world. Nollywood and Bollywood Films, latin american dvd collections, Japanese Anime collections, etc. Several different DVD player companies too.
Honestly, i wish some of those companies sold pen-drives or mini-ssds with the media, but that was never tried. Imagine a theme-shaped ssd stick with pixar movies for instance, too cool to exist. But a 4Tb HD with files will do for me.
What brand would you recommend for a blu-ray burner?
For long term storage of my several TB of “family photos and videos” of course.
Or any other way to do “cheap” long term storage without maintenance (burn and forget). I heard that hdd are not reliable for long term unmaintained storage like that so I thought some form of optical storage.
What brand would you recommend for a blu-ray burner?
I assume there will still be less prominent brands making them, just as there are still DVD players being made.
Possibly, haven’t considered that. My main concern is that media releases will no longer target physical media, leaving streaming / perpetual renting as the only option. VCRs were still manufactured after the major brands stopped production, but VHS releases largely went away.
The Alien: Romulus VHS Release notwithstanding lol.
Hopefully they’ll still be made for people without access to high speed internet.
It makes sense that VHS production ceased, since DVD’s are better in every metric, cheaper to produce, and eventually became the bigger market after players got so cheap.
If these sales statistics are anything to go by, it’s possible DVD could outlive Bluray as a viable market.
There are still movies that get a VHS release, so I don’t see them completely abandoning disc media any time soon. Tons of people still use it to watch movies
Oh, nice. I knew Alien: Romulus was getting one, but it seemed like an outlier/gimmick than anything else.
It’s definitely a gimmick these days. I think it’ll be a bit before dvd/Blu-ray sales drop significantly enough to warrant discontinuing.
You can sound the real warnings when Panasonic and Sony stop making them.
But the writing is already on the wall. You used to be able to go into any supermarket and have a whole aisle for DVDs and Blu-rays, and now it’s like a single rack of things that came out recently. People have spoken with their wallets, and these things will go the same way as CDs before them.
Now we just need to get back to a streaming service that doesn’t suck.
NOT a streaming service. Rather - DRMless purchases. GOG did it, Bandcamp did it, now we need it for films. If not available, I would rather buy a DRMed version to correspond to the one I downloaded.
But yeah, sad for those who are into collecting, the physical experience and extras.
DRMless. Purchases.
Seems to be an either/or situation right now. I’ll happily take the first one though.
Yeah, exactly - I specified that. Back when I had some money for media, I bought games on Steam (because they weren’t on GOG, sadly) and had pirated copies correspond to this. That seems abimout as fair as a rip corresponding to a DVD but without clutter and inconvenience.
Welp, we’re one step closer to the “you will own nothing and be happy” future tech companies want for us.
Not owning just means you don’t have to pay anything. Have at it. World’s free now
You wouldn’t download a car? Well maybe yes.
Yeah, I would download a car.
You’d have to be a special kind of stupid not to download a car and instead pay the thousands of dollars + dealing with scumbag dealerships.
Or just your average American.
Maybe when 3D printers become much more capable.
I’ve been actively avoiding it forever, but my peers are all-to-eager to give up any control or ownership of anything.
It’s really a cultural problem, and most of the people receiving the short end of the stick aren’t realizing it.
There’s a lot of stuff that isn’t really efficient to own individually. I need a power drill one day a year or less, it’s just gathering dust in my closet the rest of the time. I bet most of my neighborhood does the same.
I often dream of a local community center of sorts that lends out tools, and other such things, maybe for a small yearly fee. They could spend to get something robust, good quality that lasts for a long while. And the whole neighborhood could benefit. Sort of an expanded version of a library? I guess none of that is very profitable.
Some libraries literally do this already, expect they do it completely for free.
And in all that time I never once owned a Blu-ray device.
At the beginning I was pissed at the DRM. And by the time that was solved streaming was good enough.
Streaming will never be a satisfying model for me - I need ownership and lack of DRM.
That said, I don’t see much of a point in DVD or Blu-Ray either, hard drives are smaller than one DVD’s case while fitting orders of magnitude more.
Been waiting for over ten years now for hdd prices to go down significantly to replace my broken 4 TB drive. Now I don’t have any money or energy to rip the rest of my DVD collection.
Problem with streaming is you’re effectively renting.
If the source of the stream wants to change their terms, there’s nothing you can do aside from jump ship to the next business maximizing profit.
Unless you’re smart enough to use free streaming services, that is ;)
There’s still no streaming for 3D movies yet tho :,( i still need to rip the 3D blue rays to my PC if i want to watch them in VR… fandangonow had a quest app to stream 3D movies but it doesn’t work anymore and it was a US only option. Hopefully the apple vision pro stuff makes it happen faster globally!
Have you tried Kodi? Maybe their Android app works.
I’ll look into it. Not sure what kodi does exactly based on their website.
It’s a media center app. To organize and play videos, TV, music and photos. With a nice interface for TVs.
It has settings for 3D content. I have no idea if works in VR but maybe you’re lucky.
I won’t be concerned until the only manufacturers left are Chinese brands no one in the West has ever heard of. We’re not even nearly there yet.
Wonder if the PS5 will be the last mass-produced Blu-ray player?
I’m surprised they lasted this long honestly
I guess home users will be without any viable long-term backup media soon. The only ones I can think of are those special blu-ray discs that promise to last for archival. After that we have spinning disks, but those only last a few years and will eventually be phased out, and then all we’ll have is flash memory that degrades rapidly. Oh, and paying through the nose for someone’s cloud service so they can hold our data to ransom while mining it for AI, and delete it as soon as we miss a bill payment.
but those only last a few years.
Where do people get this information? Hard drives are very stable now (as are SSDs). All of mine are still going strong after 6+ years.
That was true a while back, but yes drives have gotten way better.
That’s just failure rate though, not data loss. You need your drives using a sane file system like zfs or using raid 1/10/6 where discs can do error checking as well to prevent silent data loss.
They also need to be powered on. Offline drives will lose data to bit rot over time.
Oh, and paying through the nose for someone’s cloud service so they can hold our data to ransom while mining it for AI.
That’s what “they” want. lol. Everything seems to be pushing that way for sure.
Though I am a little less pessimistic about spinners fully going away until all-flash datacenters are the norm. I’ve also had some running for close to 10 years, and they’re going strong (I’ve also got much newer ones as well)
I forget the article I posted here months ago, but there’s a new optical format which is in the multi-TB range. Not sure if/when it’ll be commercially available, but maybe that will come about?
https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/23/optical_disc_breakthrough/
That’s technically promising, but I can’t see it being a mass-market item since most people don’t care about backups, so it will be prohibitively expensive for most home users.
If you’re looking for something to write once read nearly never, just get 3 USB drives with the same thing written on all three of them
My understanding was that flash memory, especially modern flash memory with tiny gates and multiple bits per cell, degrades the fastest of all storage media (possibly apart from badly made plastic discs). Especially if it isn’t regularly powered up, the memory cells will just use their charge after a while. If you used three it would reduce the risk, but if they’re all degrading untouched at the same speed they might still all lose data around the same time.
It degrades from writes.
The device itself degrades from writes, but the data degrades anyway as long as it is not powered. The bits are stored as charges in tiny capacitors, and if you leave it unpowered this charge gradually leaks away, leading to data loss over the long term. The device needs to be powered up to be able to refresh the charges and preserve the data.
Are you sure? Do you have a link to more info on this claim?
If true, I want to know if its orders of years or decades od centuries or millennium
Accounts differ but most reports say a low number of years. Older flash memory is more stable than the newer stuff, because it only stored one value per tiny capacitor, so the charge had to drop by 50% for the bit to be lost. In newer flash memory they use each cell to store more than one bit, which means they need to make finer discriminations between charge levels, so there’s less tolerance for weakening charge levels. Many people report losing data after only a couple of years unpowered with modern devices. Some older devices can go for more than a decade. I don’t have any studies to hand but if you search for information about bit rot in flash memory you will find plenty of discussions online.
If you power up the device and read all the data, this will refresh the charges.
Tape drives.
Blurays are too small for backups anymore. It would take hundreds of them to backup all of my stuff. If you want long term backups, you have to spend a couple grand on a tape drive.
I disagree. You’re the exception, not the rule.
Fuck LG, not like they made good BR players. I’ve sworn to avoid buying their shit since they discontinued support for a BR player within a year of release, which back then meant you wouldn’t be able to watch any BR movie released after a certain date due to new DRM or whatever. They just up and decided to not release new firmware for units still under warranty.
Will, this sucks.
Sony and Panasonic still make Blu-ray players… Sony just stopped making the blank media IIRC
