The US and Europe admit that they’re been believing in their own propaganda about Russia and Putin.

  • Madison420@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    It’s a war of attrition and Russia is losing. Insurgency inside of a major nation is a pretty good sign there will be civil war sooner rather than later.

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        11 months ago

        It’s an opinion essay. Why do people not understand that news organizations publish these, and that they don’t all represent the views of the paper? They will even publish multiple conflicting opinions. This has been a part of news for decades if not over a century. Why do people still not understand this?

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          11 months ago

          Because they choose to publish it?

          Who wrote it doesn’t bloody matter.

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            I guess you just can’t imagine anything other than pushing one’s own agenda. The concept that a news organization might want to publish in depth, well articulated opinions from a spectrum of different perspectives is just unthinkable in this polarized age of “my narrative or nothing.”

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              11 months ago

              I can imagine them pushing their own agenda. It’s exactly what they’re doing pushing this propaganda.

              Now let’s get to the real issue, why don’t think a newspaper isn’t responsible for what it publishes? Do you think they can wash it away by using a non-hired writer?

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                11 months ago

                you just can’t imagine anything other than pushing one’s own agenda.

                I can imagine them pushing their own agenda

                DOH! That’s what I just said.

                Oh my lord. I’ve already explained above how opinion sections work, twice. Newspapers provide space for opinion pieces across different perspectives. I’ve actually been in a newsroom and seen the discussions. But you shouldn’t need that to understand an open shared space in a newspaper. Like I said, I guess it’s just over your head. Words on paper! Paper come from WSJ!

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      I’ve been waiting and hoping for Russia to fail in their war and more than that: collapse. There are a thousand YT videos about how this is inevitable and imminent. This has been the case for a long time now. It keeps not happening. I’m willing to at least read an opinion piece from someone saying that maybe it never will and we should think that possibility through instead of continuing to hope for a watershed moment to deliver all our dreams.

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        11 months ago

        Collapse on Russian government is a fantasy. They don’t have a huge war and spy machine just for external threats, so they are not new to this game and a lot of powerful Russians have been “dropping out of windows”. Russia is not that unified. It’s a huge country with large number of various ethnicities and many of those don’t feel very Russian. They just want to be left alone. Reality of Russias loses is startin to be weight on their shoulders and their war has been a failure and embarrassment for a long time now. Russias collapse wouldn’t even be a very favorable outcome. World would just have a one more violent shithole where people kill each other and massacre the innocent.

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      11 months ago

      Because you’ve been ingesting so much propaganda that you assume anything that veers from their narrative must be from your perceived enemy.

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      11 months ago

      The problem, is that anyone who will replace him is going to be worse. Or at least, as bad as he is.

      What we should do, is run a psyops campaign to get him to get into it with China.

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        11 months ago

        Haven’t you just demonstrated that the problem is in you rather than in Putin or Russia?

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          why? cuz I cracked an admittedly bad joke? the bit about psyops was meant to be read with tongue-in-cheek irony.

          Or are you saying that, because the people who hold power, and the lines of succession in russia are all universally awful, that’s somehow… my fault? or that I’m the problem?

          lets look at the people that would replace Putin, and some of their comments.

          Hmmm. yeah. all three are hard liners and ardent supporters of Putin who are just as personally invested in the war in Ukraine as Putty-bear is.

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            US and EU can’t stand it when a russian present, or any other one, acts in the interests of his country and its people rather than in the interests of US and EU. That’s why they have a problem with Putin, Maduro, Lula da Silva, Modi, Erdogan, Orban, Osad…you name it.

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              You’re, not entirely wrong, I suppose. (In part though, because it’s against our interests. We’re all pots and kettles.)

              Just out of curiosity, are you saying that Putin invading Ukraine is… okay? That we shouldn’t be helping out Ukraine? Or shouldn’t condem the invasion?

              Are you saying that genocide of the Ukrainingn people isn’t something that ought to be condemned? The rape, the murder, the forced relocation of civilians, the rampant destruction of farmland and industry, the insane amount of mining lending most land uninhabitable? The flat out destruction of most cities in the war zone?

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        11 months ago

        Doesnt matter if his replacement is just as bad or worse his replacement can go mission success all the nazis are dead time to go home. Putin cant pull out hes already too far deep

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          11 months ago

          The people who’d replace him are in just as deeply. That’s the issue. They could do as you suggest they might, but they won’t.

  • scarabic@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Wow they found a picture of Putin apparently smiling. I recall hearing a deepfake expert say that Putin was still hard to deepfake because there wasn’t enough footage of him out there with any variety of facial expressions, especially any smiling.

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    11 months ago

    Bumped into a paywall. What do they mean by “containment”? Conceding land?

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    My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.

    The only people engaging in magical thinking are the people who use the phrase as a defense mechanism in their articles. How long the Russo-Ukrainian war lasts is irrelevant as Russia will never stop until it runs out of countries to conquer or collapses. We are better off if Russia collapses into its constituent entities.