I don’t expect this to play particularly well here, and maybe I’m just being conspiratorial, but here goes:
I banned jordanlund@lemmy.world from !transgender@lemmy.blahajzone earlier today- he literally posted a matt walsh youtube link and was being otherwise transphobic in a space where that gets you banned. (link)
one of jordanlunds removed comments w/ matt walsh video:
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the reason I put down was ‘trolling about neopronouns’ I stand by that, it was violating instance rules and was unacceptable behavior from a moderator of another instance.
Shortly after that I got banned from news@lemmy.world for ‘trolling’. To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
The .world thread in question (link)
I was expressing my actual opinion/position on this, if anything the post I was replying to should be considered a rule 1 violation implying leftists are russian/under russian sway:
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The removed comments that I was banned (permanent) for were just me being earnest about my position, which you’re welcome to disagree with.
I don’t view protecting my rights as something worth sacrificing other people for, even if they’re on the other side of the planet. You can be mad at me or hate me for that, but I’m not trolling.
People replying felt it was reasonable to call me an idiot for example, yet another example of selective moderation. on .world.
I don’t have any conclusive proof that my banning Jordanlund and then getting banned are related other than the suspicious timing, I welcome clarification.
Anyway in the interest of neutrality and transparency I submit both my ban and jordanlunds for review.
That checks out for Jordanlund and Lemmy.world, unsurprising and still sad.
PTB. Your comments don’t look like trolling to me.
jordanlund@lemmy.world is absolutely friendly with the c/news team. I think he even used to be a mod there, if I remember from my time on .world.
I may be wrong, because I was banned from there months ago because I wasn’t aboard the Biden/Harris love train. And I’m STILL proud of my stance. :) lmao
But I had lots of interactions with him. He’s mostly good people, but he did take a lot of joy in my ban and made a special post about it and has a lot of influence admin and mods on .world.
I was banned from there months ago because I wasn’t aboard the Biden/Harris love train. And I’m STILL proud of my stance
Those subs were modded per instructions from DNC komissars
It was disgusting.
Those subs were modded per instructions from DNC komissars
Yep!
Of course it you who posts this. Lol, trolling is accurate it’s even what you’ve tried to do with this post itself. From what you showed us, Jordan was literally nowhere near being transphobic and was simply calling the bizarre troll a troll. “Neopronoun” isn’t a word that means “you will call me a dragon or else you’re transphobic”, probably because “dragon” isn’t nor will it ever be a gender
Jordan straight up posted a matt walsh/libs of tiktok video as a derisive jab, posting transphobic shit gets you banned.
If you’re unwilling to call people by what they ask to be called on a trans instance you’re gonna get banned.
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He obviously was equating that behavior in the video with that dragon fucker troll.
Yes, it very was obvious, that’s why he got banned for transphobia.
Are you implying trans people are making it up too?
I’m trans, I have no issue with anyone pushing the bounds on gender. Gender is part of oppressive systems to be dismantled in any way possible, not something to respect the ‘norms’ of.
I think your real problem with Jordan is that after months of letting universalmonk poison Lemmy with pro trump propaganda, he finally fucking banned him.
🙄 I suggest stepping away from the computer and going outside
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Calling this remotely related to transphobia will always be absurd
Considering the same sort of shitlords are consistently complaining about this, it seems like a great litmus test.
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It was transphobic, he linked a Matt Walsh video to mock someone.
Gender is something to be toyed with and dismantled. Nonbinary and trans people share the same struggle. Based on your behavior I have no reason to believe you’re here in good faith, but I’ll still invite you to read the gender accelerationist manifesto.
after months of letting universalmonk poison Lemmy with pro trump propaganda
I didn’t support or vote for Trump. I voted third party. And me and Jordan are still pretty cool and talk fairly regularly.
Thanks, friend!
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Oh, I didn’t vote for Trump.
Thanks!
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To be clear, jordanlund does not moderate news@lemmy.world, but the timing struck me as an odd coincidence.
Just something else I found recently
Oh that is interesting information, thank you!
I used to think neo-pronouns are kinda silly, and I guess I still kinda do. But there’s no skin off my back to address people in a way that they don’t find hurtful. If people tell me my actions are hurtful to them, I try and take them at face value so long as doing so wouldn’t be hurtful to others or myself. Seems like basic conscientiousness to me.
PTB. You did nothing wrong here.
My beef with neo pronouns is they are used in such a way to weaponize the “political correctness” attitude of some liberal communities
Drag is a good example because they’re a blatant troll, and pretty blatantly try to get anyone who disagrees with them about anything banned for being “transphobic”
Like it’s an obvious bit, it makes the mods and admins look like fools. Drag got banned from hexbear AND .ml for this behavior.
It’s better to live with a few trolls than intentionally make users feel unsafe.
Drag got banned from hexbear AND .ml
Since when are bans from those instances any kind of reference?
It’s the reason they got banned that’s important, both .ml and hexbear are pretty lgbtq inclusive, and they love a good troll. But they wouldn’t tolerate drag.
Im confused as to why they would be an issue. I had a buddy growing up that was called Paul. In high school he wanted to go by JP because Paul was his middle name and his dad was John. I fail to see the difference between calling JP what he prefers and referring to someone using their chosen pronouns should they be made clear ahead of time in an appropriate manner.
PTB. I think you are correct in both cases.
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion. Reading through that whole comment thread there was nothing you said that came across as trolling. Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump, or believe voting is the most important and only way to change anything. I get closer to just blocking world entirely every day tbh.
Its kinda exhausting how many people take any criticism of the democratic party as being support for Trump,
Exactly!
I hate how quick world is to mass downvote, accuse of being a russian troll, or just straight up remove comments from people who express any sort of actual left-wing opinion
They’ll actually form packs of downvoters to team up and track you to downvote. I’d get downvoted in .world, then every single post after that, even my non-political/non-controversial ones would get massively downvoted.
One guy even wrote a program tracking me, then publicly offered it to others to track and downvote me. (thanks @pooperNickel@lemm.ee)
All because I voted third party in the election!! lolololol
Please don’t do this. You pinged this person here who immediately went all over the thread arguing with people and escalating discussions.
Why the fuck do you keep tagging me? You’re obsessed
I actually chuckled when I saw this because I have had you tagged as “UM obsessed”. You guys are a cute couple!
I think him and I should just kiss, make up, become friends, and become a power couple!
I’m doesn’t matter anymore. Across the world, trump simps like UM were shielded and the propaganda did its job. And now we’re fucked. Enjoy your chuckle about it
Thanks Pooper. I hope you enjoy your weekend.
Meh, I didn’t vote for Trump. So don’t blame his election on me, friend. Thanks!
Yes you did liar. Can you tell mom to bring you some napkins?
Nah, I didn’t. I voted third party. Remember? That’s why you were so mad and bragged about writing a program to track me.
Brah, you wrote a program to track me and bragged about it. I’m going to let everyone know it.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there? They cooperate with one another, so if you cross one you cross both.
But yeah, doesn’t surprise me. Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there
He was, but if I remember correctly, he had a huge mental breakdown and threatened to commit suicide over zoom, and I think they removed him until he starts feeling better. It was a big deal a few days ago.
Jordan is the same white dude who said he didn’t support BLM because protests inconvenienced him. He’s a peak liberal Zionist.
That stuff was wild
Isn’t FlyingSquid a mod there?
One will bait, then other will ban to maintain the image of propriety
No, he is not.
Why are you bringing up his race at all as it is his views that are objectionable not his skin tone.
Have a look at the article yourself: https://www.opb.org/news/series/racenw/race-northwest-united-states-jordan-lund-portland/
It’s not my fault white dudes tend to be the only people complaining about civil rights. If you don’t like people stating facts, then maybe turn on Fox News or sub to Trump on his social media. Then you won’t have to worry about it anymore.
it’s not my fault white dudes tend to be…
So while I don’t actually disagree, I have to point out that this sounds exactly like how racists defence themselves. “It’s not my fault that black people are…”
And again I don’t think that your view is wrong, but I think we should be careful with words
Nah, I’ll continue to call out racism when I see it. There’s no need to bring up his race.
Well, when you write your next comment, don’t do it then. See, that’s how things work. You write your comments, and I write mine.
Every other instance should defederate from .world. Neoliberal fascism is no better than regular fascism.
I personally call them Fascism Lite™
Diet Fascism.
The issue they control some key subs, but yeah I think there is enough evidence that mods on key subs are malicious actors that are working against the fedi thesis
I just want to add that it seems to me that about 90% of people accused of trolling on here do not themselves think they are trolling. Something to ponder.
Exactly! And it seems to me the point of being a “troll” is knowing you are trolling. Doing it on purpose. But if you don’t think you’re a troll, then you aren’t actually trolling.
Lemmy has a hard time understanding that, so on .world “troll” means “you have disagreed with me and now I’m gonna follow you around and downvote whatever you say and ask for you to be banned.”
Everybody is the good guy in their own story.
I think this is a related factor but not quite what I’m getting at here.
My understanding of trolling is that it is a deliberate attempt to trigger negative emotional responses and cause trouble. So users should have a good sense of whether they are or are not engaged in trolling.
So either:
A: They are lying about their intentions. B: The community and mods are ascribing ill intentions where there are none. Or C: Different people are using conflicting definitions of trolling.
While A might seem the obvious answer, I think it’s actually far less common than people think. When I go through the histories of people accused of trolling I rarely see clear evidence of it. It’s usually just a person who has a tendency to respond angrily to people they disagree with, or who has a particularly strong disagreement with the community on a particular issue that they feel passionately about.
So I usually chock these cases up to B, and I think this case is a pretty clear example. However I’d also be curious to know if C is at play here, so if you think there is another definition of trolling that differs from mine, please share it.
Fucking A comment. Actually I responded with something similar, but yours is better written.
I mean, further looking and it’s almost certainly B. I think people like to ascribe ill-intent when they just knee-jerk to disagreement. “Trolling” here was absolutely the wrong choice of verbiage.
Trolling is generally pretext to censor content and or tone of speech
I rarely see trolling here tbh maybe dragon fucker but he is so committed to it, whatever
World is an absolute cancer on Lemmy, its filled with ShitLibs who hold on to their Reddit mentality. If Blahaj defederated from world absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
You shouldn’t judge an entire group of people, by the tag on their names.
No, you should judge them based on their political opinions and lack of empathy. And as it just so happens, .world is full of shitlibs.
Who exactly? I will judge them with you!
Well, start with Jordan, since this post is about him. Won’t be hard to find all about him, he’s been mentioned in this community more times than anyone except perhaps FlyingSquid.
A recent example about lack of empathy
Valid point, but yours is so cool it’s hard not to notice it 😄
😂
Anyone who uses the term “shitlib” tend to trend towards trump supporter level of dumbass I’ve noticed
If we’re assuming it was a retaliation ban- The powers that be at lemmy.world would be wise to nip this type of thing in the bud now and replace those actively working to deceive and lash out at others from their team.
Eventually people will stop giving the owners/admins the benefit of the doubt when controversial things like this happen. What happens then? The time/money/resources are being thrown away to enable a few people’s egos and eventually the users will tire of it and abandon ship. It seems like we’re drawing closer to that every day.
One way or another the true colors will always come out. Interesting times ahead.
For anyone wanting help finding the original entry in the modlog - bc it is currently not in either lemmy.ml or lemmy.world - here it is in lemmy.blahaj.zone. I haven’t delved into the rest but wanted to say damn it’s annoying when moderation activities don’t federate:-(.
Thanks for that, I agree it is really annoying having moderation doesn’t federate, or is obfuscated.
PTB. Throwing a fit because you pointed out their blatant transphobia
