cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393
credit for this post to :
@denimaww@lemmy.world
The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it’s going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what’s going on.
On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for “Abortion Pill Reversal” and encouragement for “Sterilization Reversal”. The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:
“Abortion is not women’s healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women’s physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment.”
And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:
"That the House of Representatives—
(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and
(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."
This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.
A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf
People are being gaslit.
The rich just want more people as soldiers or workforce. Having a larger population is not a good thing for the poor people. Smaller workforce means higher wages as per the free market (supply - demand).
And the worst part is, instead of seeing this, people jump to conclude “no, we just need to distribute the resources differently”, as if that’s gonna happen. It’s free labor market all the way, even if that means people living in poverty.
They’re going to enslave most of us, just watch.
Wow it’s almost like the dems did less than nothing about this for 4 years.
I’m glad you’re blaming the dems, because surely that will help anything.
It will actually.
In its current form the dems are a center-right republican-lite party. They serve the same oligarchs the Rs do.
You see that in the policies they push and support. Or rather, the lack of policies. They don’t do anything constructive that would actually help people unless it’s a PR stunt when they need a little boost. And even then they lash it down with narrow scope and means testing.
They are supposed to be the opposition. As in oppose. But they don’t. They refuse to. And they actively work to keep people who want to work for the good of the people out of positions of influence. If the dems wanted to, they would never lose an election again. But they don’t want to.
Do you know why we have term limits? It’s because the populist policy and social programs instituted by FDR made him so popular he was elected to 3 terms as president. Minimum wage, labor laws, social security, etc.
Ok states rights crowd, fuck around and find out with my states constitutional protection of abortion.
I’m really curious how California will handle that one. I would expect Newsom to fall in line as part of the protected class, but he is a politician and cares about reelection.
If trump tries to fuck around with Canada my state will secede more than likely. Canada will retaliate by shutting off our electric which would be a death sentence in the winter.
That and the abortion rights and the fact we were previously an independent republic, it’s looking like we’re going back to being independent.
Wait, why would Canada retaliate against y’all for seceding?
If trump starts a trade war or physical war or even goes after Greenland I foresee Canada shutting off our electric (hydro Quebec) in retaliation. It would force our secession to save ourselves. Vermont routinely goes well below 0F in the winter for weeks on end, and hydro Quebec is where we get I believe a third of our energy. If not a third a very significant amount that we can’t go without.
I can also see them shutting off oil and gas pipelines to other states but that doesn’t affect vermont. But those states might also secede over it. Fuck with cold states energy infrastructure in winter and we won’t have a choice.
Also our constitution protects abortion, and I can see that also being a factor in us going back to being an independent republic or even joining Canada if they’ll take us. We have a substantial French Canadian population here.
I don’t think it would be like the civil war, most Americans couldn’t point to vermont on a map and were not economically important.
Ah gotcha, that makes sense now.
I lived in Vermont for year, and yeah those winters are no joke. But I could also see y’all telling the fed to go fuck themselves.
I know I’m probably getting the political landscape of vermont and new hampshire mixed up, but isn’t vermont pretty red? Similar to the way new york is pretty red once you get out of the big city? That’s probably going to be a nightmare if anything happened.
It’s pretty complicated. Our “red” looks nothing like the rest of Americas red. We’re not religious, and those who are keep it to themselves and have a live and let live philosophy. Evangelicalism is deeply unpopular here.
We’re a purple state locally, bright blue nationally. We voted like 80+% for Bernie and 70+% for Republican Phil Scott as governor.
I’d say we’re mostly small L libertarians - pro guns, pro LGBTQ, pro women’s rights, pro weed, strong social safety net for a small state. You also have la la land liberals in Burlington and montpelier who are completely out of touch with the rest of the state. I live in a “red” part of the state and have never felt threatened in the decade I’ve been here, most people are chill.
We’re also overwhelmed by rich asshole second+ homeowners from NYC and Boston but luckily they don’t vote in our elections but they greatly influence things despite that. And our legislature is comprised mostly by landlords which… is great for our housing crisis. /s
I grew up in the NYC metro area where I was routinely assaulted for being queer in the 90s. Hence my take no prisoners attitude when it comes to liberals protecting capital and aligning with fascists. Their support for my kind was never genuine and always performative rainbow capitalism.
Secession will certainly mean war under Trump. He’s way more of a war hawk than Lincoln ever was.
He wouldn’t be able to find vermont on map. Probably thinks we’re our own country already.
The US hasn’t won a war since ww2 so again, fuck around find out with the original guerrilla warriors.
We’re not an economic powerhouse, we have limited natural resources, and we have incredibly difficult terrain.
He would probably threaten to carpet bomb the fuck out of you and whine when generals don’t do it
state laws, including their constitutions, mean zip when federal law or the nation’s constitution conflicts and takes precedence.
Right we were just hoping for the two braincells to fire and them realizing that it was never about states rights
It’s about states rights to control other states.
In this case there’s a Supreme Court decision that this issue should be left up to the states. Sure key they won’t reverse themselves so soon, right?
Guess we’re seceding.
“Pro Women’s Healthcare”
😡😡😡😡😡😡
Fucking propagandists
For anyone that needs this information, you can (currently) order abortion medicine online in any state. I did it today and it was stupid easy to do. I’m not pregnant, but I wanted to order some as a just-in-case for myself or others.
The Plan C website has a great list of websites you can order from if you’re not pregnant. It costs about $150 and some offer financial assistance if you need it. But please do it NOW.
I ordered one from Aid access and one from safe choice. Both asked a few questions that didn’t ask for personal information or ID. They mostly just need an email, address to send it, and a credit/debit card to pay.
Good luck out there everyone.
Edit: just to clarify I’m not talking about plan B. I’m talking about medication meant to induce an abortion at up to 13 weeks of gestation. mifepristone and misoprostol specifically.
I’m a woman who does not have sex with men but I got myself plan b just in case of emergency like a rape.
Costco pharmacy near me was selling levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive for $6/dose as of a couple weeks ago.
yes. elections have consequences. republicans haven’t been coy about wanted to outlaw abortion nationwide at the federal level. enough democrats didn’t vote in the last election (mostly young people for whom these bans will effect the most, and cause the most harm) to ensure republicans now control ever branch of united states government, the legislative (both house of congress), the judicial (doj and the supreme court), and executive (the presidency). that’s a clean sweep, and a wide pipe for the monsters to do just about anything they want to. congratulations.
If only liberals had self reflection to learn why the lost the election in a landslide. Nope. Blame voters!
Edit:
- no primary
- biden promised to be a one term president and lied, he’s senile and demented
- lied about inflation
- two new forever wars
- funded a genocide
- awful covid policy of “let it rip!”
- last minute push of no votes Kamala instead of holding a fucking primary to start with
- only platform is “we’re not trump”
- real platform is “nothing will fundamentally change”
- voting third party is not supporting fascism you stupid fucking liberals
- continue to refuse to change your stupid ways and continue to lose elections
- democrats didn’t do shit to stop fascism because fascism doesn’t threaten capital and they only exist to stop the left
- democrats lose on purpose so they can cynically fundraise off it
- keep voting blue no matter who and keep fucking losing
- blue MAGA be whining crying and carrying on that if you didn’t vote for fascist genocider joe that you’re a fascist! Grow up and read history you fucking babies.
- insults voters rather than listens to their concerns
- assumes everyone who didn’t vote for biden voted for trump which is logically false
- zero class consciousness and everything boils down to losing identity politics
- nobody cares that Kamala was black and indian that’s not a reason to vote for or against anyone
- nobody cares that the fighter pilot dropping bombs on brown people abroad is a black gay Jewish trans man, we want the bombing to stop!
- democrats had fifty fucking years to make roe v Wade law but instead cynically fundraised off it
- biden fucked over labor
Keep fucking crying. Never self reflect that it’s YOUR FAULT for not pushing the dems left. Never self reflect that the democrats DID THIS TO THEMSELVES.
By not voting for the bad option they got the worse option. Congrats I guess to them?
A genocider is the less bad option? You people are fucking brainwashed and hopeless.
Lol you voted to bring the genocide here. Whomp whomp
You’re right, I voted for biden in 2020 which is one of my biggest regrets in life.
He’s the genocider. Meanwhile trump got his peace deal signed which means for eight fucking months this could of happened under biden but that senile racist Zionist fuck wrote a blank check to Israel instead.
Love liberal logic. Genocide is ok as long as it’s brown people abroad!
You might be slow homie. Neither party was or is gonna stop the genocide. It’s almost like we make a bunch of money selling weapons in some kind of military industrial complex. But I’ll let you figure it out for yourself enjoy these interesting times.
So you admit that a vote for either Democrats or republivans was a vote for genocide… and you’re still blaming the voters for failing to vote for genocide?
Make it make sense.
congratulations!
I absolutely will blame voters you simpleton
biden promised to be a one term president and lied, he’s senile and demented
No, he didn’t.
Stop repeating “liberal media”. We don’t have it.
We have oligarch media and independent media.
The liberal media is the media of the oligarchs. Liberals protect capital. They’re not left.
According to four people who regularly talk to Biden, all of whom asked for anonymity to discuss internal campaign matters, it is virtually inconceivable that he will run for reelection in 2024, when he would be the first octogenarian president.
Anonymous sources offering their personal opinion are not Biden.
That’s why numerous liberal media sources reported otherwise? The people who suck the democrat party’s dick for a living?
Nah. When he ran in 2020 he made it seem like he’d be one term. He’s playing both sides. I can’t believe you fall for his fucking lies.
Edit: he promised to be a “bridge candidate” to younger candidates, implying a one term presidency which he then pretended he didn’t say. I feel like I live in the fucking twilight zone being gaslit by blue MAGA twats.
When he ran in 2020 he made it seem like he’d be one term.
How did you get that when he explicitly said he had no plans on one term?
I can’t believe you fall for his fucking lies.
What lies am I falling for? I always thought he would run for a second term, and then he did. You are the one that fell for the lies, thinking that he wouldn’t run again.
Edit: The bridge candidate stuff is just fluff to get people to not worry about his age, it doesn’t mean anything. It is certainly not a promise of anything.
Edit: The bridge candidate stuff is just fluff to get people to not worry about his age, it doesn’t mean anything. It is certainly not a promise of anything.
BULLSHIT. It was clearly implied he’d be a one term candidate. His own fucking words which he took back when convenient because he’s a fucking narcissist. All the liberal media saying it. All the “Biden campaign sources” saying it.
Stop fucking gaslighting it’s embarrassing.
Mildly infuriating?
Well, we know of course … But, O2P (original2 poster) went for “Politics” community, in which it was deleted. Then i hastily reposted here, before it would be lost. Finally, later on someone reposted in “furiouslyinfuriating@sh.itjust.works” but it doesn’t have as much traction !
I mean, if a nation wants to fight a big war within 15 years, first they need to grow soldiers, right?
if they ban abortion and then set up a pipeline from orphanages to army then you get a lot of jackboots in 15ish years
“abortion pill reversal” sounded like bullshit to me, so I looked it up.
Here’s what ACOG has to say: Facts Are Important: Medication Abortion “Reversal” Is Not Supported by Science
credit for this post to : @denimaww@lemmy.world
Hi Denimaww,
i saw that you made the above post into the “politics” community which has rules preventing posting anything that is not based on a newspaper article. This must be why it was removed in that community and which is why i recuperated your post and gave you credit in this community here. Also, i see that you are new to Lemmy and i wish to welcome you here. This sites’ learning curve could be a bit steep. Please don’t hesitate to ask for advice.
Take care 😌
Nice welcoming comment
i’m quite proud of that and to having saved the (vast, detailed, artful) post just in time by :
First - - guessing that it would be deleted from the “politics” community and
Second - - to have hit the cross-posting button just in time (in the locally opened post copy on my device)i do believe that, in a future implementation of Lemmy, it would be nice if moderators could unlink a post from a community instead of deleting it. So the original poster could re_link the post to another community instead of wasting their efforts.
I see, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me! Do you know a community where I could post this instead? Like you said, I am new to Lemmy and I really wanted to spread awareness about this. Thanks in advance!!
i say this is your post : i gave you credit in the header and i invite you to take ownership by responding, at your convenience, to any top comment in this post. For each, if anyone doubt that you have ownership, i would come up with a comment to tell them that you are really the OP (original poster). To achieve this, you can call me (or any users) to a thread of comments by puting my username inside a comment ( … @A_A@lemmy.world … )
You wanted to spread awareness and your post here got 300 upvotes until now. This is excellent in term of Lemmy viewership. You also got plenty of comments : if you want to go through those, i believe you got beautiful impact. (do not give too much credit to negative comments as there always be those for anyone on any subjects)
The choice of a community for posting is an art that one develops by using Lemmy. But, a first step is to read (in one community that you target) what are its rules for posting in there.
if only the government had an ‘efficiency’ expert on staff… one would expect their evaluation of this proposal to be something like this:
we already have a long-time, trusted nationwide network of health care clinics… for women (and men)… that provides reproductive care (and more). absolutely no sense in reinventing the wheel, when this one has been going for 108 years. the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient thing to do would be to toss them some federal funds every year, let them provide the care that’s needed–where it’s needed, and stay the fuck out of the exam room and out of their way.
That’s it! In getting sterilized.
I got snipped and it was the on of the best days of my life. Definitely something you need to go into understanding how permanent it is, but if you definitely don’t want kids I cannot recommend it enough.
Funny how a few months ago it was all about letting States decide…
They only care about state’s rights, when they’re not in power…
Admittedly didn’t read the whole thing but this looks like they want to pay for pro-life centers everywhere. I don’t see anything about restricting care, except for scamming people into walking into a pro-life center pretending to be a medical center.
Even today’s partisan court has to balk at government spending money on something that appears to be religion based, right? Right?
Remember, it’s not pro-life, it’s anti-choice.
We need a better term, since it’s not entirely anti-choice. It’s “your body, my choice”
how about “stupidity” ?
Aye, that works
pro-women, pro-women, pro+women!
Pro-life
