Good! We want boring. I don’t want to look at our government every other day and think this is the day we are going to die. Or loved ones. Or stupid fucking decisions that have nothing to do with the voters. We long for boring.
Speaking of 2020, remember when democrats worked hard to pour all their support behind Biden over Bernie? What was the explanation for that?
lots of people who vote for dems aren’t very leftist. The reality is that for dems to win they need to pick sides opposed to republicans on enough issues to capture a majority. 2020 Biden did that. 2024 Biden Harris did not.
Every single independent voter I talked voted for Orange Nero. That is how they conceal their racist neo-Nazi bullshit beliefs.
I will spice up your life I’m an independent voter and didn’t vote for Orange Nero :D
That’s because in practical reality, there are no independent voters. The vastly overwhelming majority of independents actually vote consistently along party lines.
It’s an interesting assertion, which caused me to ask a question here: How are we defining “independent”, exactly?
Because if it’s merely “not a member of a major political party”, it pretty much explains everything.
It’s been defined a few ways. Based on registration and also self reporting.
The billionaires with their hand up Trump’s ass are clearly more evil than the billionaires with their hand up Biden’s ass.
I mean, yes and yes, but unfortunately yes. It’s possible for a capitalist shit stain to be worse than a capitalist pee stain, even if only by a near indiscernible margin. Which mattress would you rather??
The Dems failing to pass helpful legislation is different than scrapping the country and having the peices sold off by Donald Trump
But to a centrist everything that isn’t shoveling ice cream into their stupid maw is equally evil
Filthy centrists.
Huge red flag, using “centrist” to apply to anyone who criticizes both political parties. Lot of those people identify as “leftists” with Democrats to their “right”. It’s an really grotesque America-centric framing that makes it sound like any position outside of the genocidal American mainstream is automatically wrong, and any bipartisan critique is just lazy indecisiveness. As if every systemic critique of this country is wrong. As if you ever even bothered to think critically about the entire system yourself, or what better possibilities are out there. I think that’s what they call a “thought-terminating cliche”. Your mind hasn’t gone there, but you’ll attack anyone whose mind has. Really disgraceful behavior.
“I don’t feel comfortable voting for a woman with the same policies”
“I wanted to be outraged and lose sleep daily. I need to yell at my computer and throw things at my TV in order to feel alive”
What is this meme template from
It’s not a template, they’re going through lines in The Room.
We truly live in Oktavias universe. Except at least there they only elected the faschist once.
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Remember when it was just memes and not political doomer posts?
I genuinely do not.
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I can’t tell the difference between red and blue genocide.
Blue opposes in words, but aids by supplying weapons while saying they can only be used for defense against other countries but not enforcing that restriction.
Red says fuck the Palestinians, genocide is fine.
There’s also the implication that Blue does have a line, somewhere. Probably related to polling numbers.
President Joe Biden Sets “Red Line” For Netanyahu (2024, Colorized)
Well, we can’t make you see the difference if you don’t want to.
Of course there’s a difference if you really get into it, but much like the two main parties here, I don’t see the point.
Again, we can’t make you see the point if you don’t want to.
You appear to be looking to not tell the two apart, and I don’t particularly care to go into all the reasons why this mentality is stupid and reductive as hell to the point of being actively poisonous to the ends you’re working to achieve. Because I’ve had this conversation before, and I literally can’t make you see the point in looking into the differences when you don’t want to. And, imo, that’s the exact mentality that got us here, because why bother voting less bad when ThErE’s No DiFfErEnCe BeTwEeN tHeM.
Perfect is the enemy of better, and chasing perfection instead of improving things is only going to burn it down. Which is also what a number of people who share your point of view want. And unfortunately, now is the time of monsters…
I’m trying to make a point about how similar they are, I don’t think you’ve understood that, don’t see the point in arguing with a leftist. We have a similar issue.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I understand the point you’re trying to make just fine. It’s just a bad argument that falls apart if you aren’t entirely privileged and give it more than a cursory, surface level look.
Just be glad you get multiple flavors to support you genocidal fuckwit.
Sorry, how am I a “genocidal fuckwit”? I voted for a party against genocide…
And how’s that going? Was the outcome in line with your protest vote?
I hope those Palestinians get ahold of you ;]
You don’t know what you’re on about cause you don’t know who I voted for. Have a good night.
Exactly. In my experience it works like this:
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Blue maga folks make a post bitching again about left-wing voters staying home - precisely what those left wing voters explicitly and repeatedly warned the centrist dems they would do if Biden didn’t stop weapons shipments to Israel.
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In that post, blue maga folks will say, “well, for some reason all the leftists who spoke against Biden have mysteriously disappeared. We never hear from them again. I guess they were all just Russian plants.”
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In the comments, they receive numerous comments from leftists who didn’t vote for Kalama, or in my case, someone who did vote for Kamala, but still fully understands why people didn’t vote for her.
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Blue maga downvotes the Hell out of the leftist post instead of engaging in good faith. They downvote until their posts cannot be seen anymore.
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Blue maga goes on pretending that the anti-genocide leftists have all just mysteriously disappeared.
Leftists don’t let Nazis get into power, even if it means dealing with corporatists some more years.
You’re not a leftist. You did nothing to avoid the farthest of the right-wing from gaining possibly absolute power. You did nothing to keep things leftward, or even center right - you just allowed the fascists to take over without a struggle.
You’re not the resistance, you’re not a helper, you’re not leftist; you’re nothing.
Fun fact: the KPD refuses to work with the SPD becauae they view the SPD as “social fascists”. Since the KPD and NSDAP combined is a majority, that means the parties had to work with either one of the two to form a governement. Eventually a coalition government was formed with the NSDAP with hitler as chancellor, and the rest is history.
Oh wow, so it really is just a speedrun 1920s/30s Germany.
Fun fact: the SPD refused to work with the KPD because they viewed them as “just as bad as the Nazis” and instead supported the “moderate” right which only exacerbated the decline, and it was the candidate they endorsed (Hindenburg) because “he’s the only way to stop Hitler (and Thälmann)” who appointed Hitler chancellor and allowed him to seize power.
And of course during the next primary: ‘we have to rally around 90% hitler to stand a chance against 100% hitler. 0% hitler is just too radical to win the general election. If anything we need more hitler to win over the centrists’
GeNoCiDe
blue maga
Thanks for putting this so early in the comment so I know to stop reading!
Thanks for outing yourself as blue maga.
Don’t forget: 4.5. Leftists get moderated for saying Biden supported genocide (with the reason given for the moderation being “misinformation”) and receive a ban.
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