cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597

Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There’s much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

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    No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.

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      If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).

      I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.

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        Imma be honest, I don’t think .ml belongs on there. Their users can be pretty cool.

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        If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?

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    The tankie triad

    making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious

    have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls

    catgirl-sorry

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      It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.

      Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…

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        I think Beehaw isn’t on the good list here because the account that shared the meme is on Lemmy World which isn’t federated with Beehaw.

        So it’s a lack of knowledge of the users that left it off not any nefarious intent.

        But that’s my 2 cents.

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          Beehaw is like the Elks Lodge of the Lemmyverse. From the outside they look exclusive, mysterious, and enticing. Inside, there’s just a few drunk guys singing karaoke.

          At least that’s my assumption. They wouldn’t let me in because I refused to write a paragraph about why I wanted to join an instance that I knew virtually nothing about. Even the Elks Lodge wasn’t that picky.

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          This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.

          As far as it goes, I’m just here for good memes and good conversation. Anytime someone goes into tankie territory, I just go to another thread. Live and let live, even if I disagree (until someone verges into nazi territory).

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        There is nothing left about promoting anarchy for your enemies and authoritarianism for your allies.

        Hexbear does nothing but sit around all day sucking Xi Jinpings cock and praising Trump, and ML is just that but slightly watered down.

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    From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).

    I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.

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      You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.

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      When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.

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      Again, despite claims to the contrary, tankie for most people means “anything left of the Democrats, or willingness to break with US foreign policy.”

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      I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.

      I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.

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          I’m aware that to the far left everyone who doesn’t want to abolish capitalism is considered right wing. I mean the normal (Dutch) political spectrum. Social democratic

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        That does sound bad. If that was my experience, I guess I might actively try to avoid them too. But as it happens, I just rarely see any hexbear stuff anyway. So the fueling of cross-instance conflicts feels unnecessary and a bit icky to me.

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          I mean, most of the communities are on .world, and if they’re not federating with .world, they’re just not going to show up in the majority of comment sections.

          But also, HB is much more of a communal space than most of the big instances, and much more aligned on how they engage with off-site content. And as the fediverse grows horizontally, a significant part of it probably going to be through focused instances, rather than more general purpose sites. We have those covered already, and most of the people interested in something like that aren’t going to leave Reddit anytime soon.

          They have what they want.

          This means there will be more “we don’t want to host this kind of content” discussions over time, not fewer. The fediverse will look more patchwork, not less.

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      Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.

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        lemm.ee federates with all three of the mentioned instances, so they are definitely seeing the posts from those instances.

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      Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.

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      Hexbear defederated from my instance for being authoritarian Nazis. What triggered this decision? A vote organised by the instance’s admins, to choose whether or not to defederate from the bears. You cannot make this shit up.

      Oh and the vote itself was started because of them brigading us, calling us a bunch or Nazis. So, yeah.

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      I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-

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        Please see my guide posted earlier in this comment section. I hope you can block .ml soon, as it is your lemmy and you should use it how you want. Block me too, thanks.

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      Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?

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        Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.

        I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.

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        Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.

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          Dude, I got banned from hexbear also. Who cares? Let them run their instance the way they want. Instances are digital communes and should reflect the values of the members who are a part of it.

          Not every instance is going to be for everyone. This is a good thing. That’s what the block function is for.

          The feuders want the admins to dictate what you can and can’t see. One must question their motives considering there is a fully functional block feature at the user/community/instance level. Don’t like it? Block and move on. That’s all there should be to it.

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            No, it’s not how a platform should be run and I will continue pushing for better solutions and then using them.

            The design is inherently limiting and stupid. You will just end up in the exact same situation as Reddit where a large percent of the discussion can be blocked at the will of some moron.

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        Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.

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      There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.

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        No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.

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        What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.

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            The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.

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                Oh, so turns out you can deny genocides then? Oh right, only if it’s not the west making the accusation.

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                  So you think you really want to argue Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, all the warcrimes Russians are pulling, and you’re gonna defend that by saying Russians are the heroically invading Ukraine to save Ukraine?

                  Guess you haven’t yet understood the essence of Russian propaganda; deny and obfuscate, never actually answer anything.

                  Anyone actually engaging with any Russian propaganda knows it breaks down at the slightest touch.

                  I don’t want to take up the whole page with this, so I’ll just list the sub-headers;

                  Prohibited weapons, Abduction and deportation, Attacks on civilians, Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property, Attacks on hospitals and medical facilities, Destruction of energy infrastructure, Destruction and theft of cultural heritage, Torture of civilians, Use of human shields, Sexual violence, Looting, Forced conscription, Mistreatment of prisoners of war, Genocide

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

                  We all know Ukraine is the good side. They may have some baddies on their side (one battalion of crazy fucks), but Russia has way more companies filled with rapists, thieves, murderers taken out of prisons and shipped to the front.

                  Kindly fuck of to the front lines to feed the drones so we don’t need to hear from you anymore.

                  https://youtu.be/ttthBVrwDV0

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            Ok senator McCarthy, not sure what that has to do with what I said. While you’re here, will you also condemn Ukraine’s Donbas genocide?

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      I’ve been called a tankie in the same posts where I criticize the USSR and Russia, or when I say China isn’t inherently good or evil.

      Tankies are to liberals what woke is to Republicans. Taking a term invented by a community, reclaiming it, giving it a new definition only used by them.

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    Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.

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      It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)

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      So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.

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        Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.

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          Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.

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            Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.

            Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in

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                Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.

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            Marx also described the State as the elements of government that entrench class distinctions like private property rights and armies, but that such a state could only wither away once all industry was publicly owned and controlled. Marx believed the workers needed to be armed and protect revolution.

            This has also been explained before, but one of the “revolutions” you defended was led by Nazis that were marking the doors of Jews and Communists, and had started lynching them.

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        “Tankie” is a pejorative that basically looks like an exact replica of McCarthy’s strawman of a Communist. The purpose of the term is to claim the accused that they genuinely hold those McCarthyian characteristics, regardless of reality. It shuts down conversation because it would be inconvenient to have those conversations, it’s a thought-terminating cliché more than a real thing.

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          Here are some thoughts:

          Marx said communism is stateless

          The state won’t wither away if you keep defending its right to use force

          The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants

          Modern Russia isn’t fucking socialist, you don’t need to defend it anymore

          State capitalism isn’t socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy

          Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn’t have a vanguard state

          Being an enemy of the West doesn’t mean a country inherently deserves your support. That’s how voting works, it’s not how international relations work

          Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy’s Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him

          Having a small movement with little power isn’t an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions


          Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that “tankie bad” is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn’t an invitation to sealion.

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            Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.

            drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.

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            Marx said communism is stateless

            every type of leftism that im aware of except for social democrats want to achieve a stateless society. to be fair im not sure if social democrats can even be considered leftists.

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              Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.

              This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.

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                i generally lean ML, but both of these are stateless to me? isnt this really about horizontal vs hierarchical power?

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                  If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.

                  Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.

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            Ok man, you do you.
            I checked you profile, in 4 months you have 3 times the comments I wrote in 3 years and you answered my comment within 1 minute.
            I strongly suggest a healthy cure of touching grass.

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              Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn’t call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they’re nonbinary.

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                Yeah I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to misgender you, in my language all of those are intended as gender neutral. And please don’t feel my suggestions are something meant to attack you, just don’t focus on small details to avoid listening what other people are really meaning to say.

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      I would argue FOSS is more akin to cooperative anarchism or library economics. Murray Bookchin

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      Tankies say that shit but they don’t mean it. They could easily support and promote socialism in Western Nations but they don’t, instead the promote people like Donald Trump and try to convince people to resort to violence to tear it all down.

      To them, real socialism is the enemy. “Communism” just means Eastern Power and “Capitalism” just means Western Power, it’s political tribalism at its core.

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    OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!

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    “Tankie Triad?” Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don’t have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances.

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      Hopefully .world will serve as a quarantine instance for all the cringe-ass former redditors who love strawmen and reductionism and lame as fuck sayings like “tankie triad” and “narwhal bacon”

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      In Canada, we have a conservative named Pierre Poilievre that makes nonsensical catch phrases like that every month or so. Kinda reminds me of that

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      In my book, it isn’t “tankie” until they are the kind who claim all the authoritarian regimes that were never democratic to be “communist”.
      You can’t have communism without democracy, that’s the whole deal, it’s in the freaking name, community.

      Claiming to be “communist” when your regime is authoritarian is like claiming to make soup without liquids.
      You can replace water with other stuff like broth, or even beer and wine, to make soup. But you need a liquid to make soup. That’s soup’s whole deal. Without a liquid as the base, or if you take out all the liquid after doing it, whatever you are doing, whatever you call it, it ain’t soup.
      For example, portable soup may have “soup” in the name, but it isn’t soup. It’s dehydrated food. It may have been soup once, but it isn’t soup.

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        The thing is, AES states are democratic. They usually don’t have competing liberal parties like Western countries, but instead a more comprehensive form based on electing delegates. For example, the USSR functioned like this:

        For further reading, Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan.

        Further, the “point” of Communism isn’t Democracy to begin with. Communism is a prediction, not a perfect society created in a lab, of what will necessarily happen as humanity develops. Marx predicted humanity will move towards a fully publicly owned and planned economy with democratic control because industry gets larger and more complex over time. I think if you take away that Communism is based on analysis and not on some Utopia, you take away the reason why Communism makes sense to begin with.

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    Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?

    Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?

    Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?

    Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?

    Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!

    And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??

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        Remember, if the US accuses someone of genocide, you have to believe them! Donbas genocide is just propaganda though, and Gaza isn’t that bad.

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          “Not all people defending their country are nice people”

          “It’s almost a genocide, but not quite, so it’s all good”

          Priceless. Do you think Russia would have had moral problems arming questionable militia in the first place? Because at least the USA did, initially.

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            1. There’s a big difference between ‘there’s Nazis in our military’ vs ‘our government is erecting monuments of Nazis.’
            2. It’s not even ‘almost a genocide.’ The US officials are trying to save face. The CIA and State Dept were training Uyghur extremists to destabilize the region, and they’re pissed China put a stop to it, and started rehabilitating the militants.
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              Your views seem to coincide with Russian propaganda.

              You’re pro-Russian and think Russia was not wrong to break international law by invading a sovereign nation. I would bet.

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                This strikes me as much of the root of the problem here, of why immature and uneducated people are drawn to fascism. You all treat it like team sports.

                You really can’t even imagine opposing Russia while also opposing Nazis. Or you’re just a Nazi looking to groom people into the ideology with Russiaphobia.

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                  I’m a Finnish person with detailed understanding of Russia.

                  We literally fought Nazis and Russia, both.

                  I constantly criticise the US for it’s growing fascism. I also heavily criticise my own country for its authoritarian tendencies. See unlike you, I don’t have a preferred flavour when it comes to injustice. I’m disgusted by it all.

                  So your attempt at generalising is really ironic here. You are literally doing what you blame “others” for doing “treating it like team sports”. But you can’t accept a single criticism of Russia. And would NEVER admit to the WELL DOCUMENTED war crimes they’ve pulled during their ILLEGAL INVASION of a sovereign country with some ridiculous excuse of “we are invading them to save them from Nazism and install our dear leader”.

                  “ideology of Russiaphobia”

                  First of, it’s “russophobia”. Secondly, no, pointing out facts about Russia, like their endless amount of war crimes isn’t any sort of discrimination, вахтера.

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            How fun! Just call literally anything you want a genocide (like literally any war, drought, or prison) and then play act outrage when anyone asks you to have a sense of personal shame or honesty!

            IT’S TOTALLY NOT LITERALLY A NAZI TACTIC

            https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

            Oh wait, yes it is. It is literally a nazi tactic. You’re doing a literal nazism.

            Maybe you should knock it the fuck off before you get confused with a literal nazi, hmmmmmm?

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              Please explain how you think that article relates to anything that has been said in this thread. No one other than you has tried to draw an equivalence between the holocaust and any other genocide.

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            Trump is a fascist and so are you. He’s just less of one because he could put his own personal political interests above doing a genocide whereas you were willing to lose an election to go full bore.

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    In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.

    By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.

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      .world needs a targeted marketing campaign, we just need to point to the very public mod log. The mods at .world do all the work for us lol.

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      And if you ask people if they’re pro-Putin and pro-Russia and against Russian crimes against humanity, you’ll get banned faster than you can say “Синдром вахтёра”

      Goes for Lemmy.ml and some reason Midwest.social as well.

      Edit Case in point after writing this comment angry lil’ Ruskitos brigade me and use all their mod power and remove comments like this I’ve made. Very “incivil” to call out Russian disinfo. Kek

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        If you go on there concern trolling and trying to start shit, I bet you will get banned.

        But, fun fact, communists actually are not a fan of fascists.

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          I didn’t.

          I simply pointed out that davel@lemmy.ml saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” would be extremely weird for an actual “red blooded, born&bred American”, which he claims to be.

          So he just as an American patriot learned to speak Russian and won’t answer the question of “are you pro-Russian” while actively pushing Russian propaganda?

          communists actually are not a fan of fascists

          Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.

          We’ll check again about communism when we get to Star Trek levels of utopia, mkay?

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            So he just as an American patriot

            Someone can be born & raised in America and yet not be patriotic to the American empire. We’re not uncommon.

            learned to speak Russian

            What are you even talking about? You don’t have to learn Russian to listen to Jeffery Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky or Chris Hedges.

            communists actually are not a fan of fascists

            Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.

            The communists fought the Spanish and Axis fascists, and horseshoe theory is garbage.

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              Oh yeah, Americans who spew Russian propaganda purposefully and constantly talk of “the West” and have issues with their grammar and English expressions are “born&bred” Americans?

              Hmm… I wonder, which is more common? A “born&bred red-blooded American who’s devoted to Putin and Russia” … ORa lying Russian? Hmm. Being a Finnish person, we have some history with Russia, and I can tell you for a fact that lying Russians are more commonplace than Americans who are fanatically devoted to Russia and say things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”.

              It’s genuinely hilarious how you don’t realise how fucking see-through you are. It’s like watching a toddler play kitchen and then make you eat their “food”. It’s hilariously cute, but in a very stupid way. So you play along while allowing them their silliness. I’m not debating you, I’m playing with you.

              “Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. But reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias. Although Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And definitely not on the internet. And definitely not on Lemmy. I’m a born&bred American btw, trust me comrades. Don’t vote, by the way. Also, did you know that Ukraine is filled with Nazis and thus we should thank glorious Putin for his courageous leadership in his special military operation. Btw Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And I’m American. Спаси Бог.”

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                Sure thing, Patrick Bateman’s fursona 👍

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                  Too bad you guys don’t have better education.

                  This feels like having a boxing match with a 12-year old; really unsporting.

                  How many people do you know who’ve lost family/friends in the meatgrinder Putin is putting them into? And you’re too much of a coward to do anything about it, actually going out of your way to perpetuate the status quo.

                  Eww.

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        I’m still not banned and I have been critical of russia and support Ukraine. Everybody Sucks Here

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          General sentiment doesn’t matter. It’s when you, for example, point out that davel@lemmy.ml is a Russian disinformation agent. He is literally Russian, he’s cleaned up his profiles now, but when I started looking into that account I found several alts on other instances with communication in Russian. Like there wasn’t even a hint of suspicion if he was Russian or not.

          But davel@lemmy.ml account adamantly insists that they are American “born and bred”, while still literally saying Putin is right to invade Ukraine, denying Uyghyr genocide, denying Russian war crimes, posted tons in the run up to the US presidential election about “don’t vote genocide joe” and all that “avoid voting no matter what” bullshit as an intentional push to instigate apathy in American voters to decrease voter turnout.

          Him, antioutsideaktion, it’s rather trivial to recognise them.

          And the simplest way is to ask them “are you pro-Russian”. Davel is afraid of answering it, despite clearly and vocally supporting Russian propaganda, even going so far as to literally say “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”. I mean, literally.

          And after saying that, he still won’t say he’s Russian. And pretends to be American? What a patriot, right?

          He’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could. Nowadays he doesn’t really even dare to participate on lemmy.world so I don’t engage him. :D

          “Look at me, look at me. I am the moderator now.”

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      Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.

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    I’m not gonna be equipped to make a nuanced and detailed take right now but in my experience hexbears are alright, fun to talk to, I can learn things from them, and at worst they’re spicy.