cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
Edit: https://chapo.chat/ for the live action drama, sort by new posts.
Edit edit: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
Welp
quite vocal about how the world should be organized, but forgot to pay the domain dues
DNS is neoliberalism incarnate 😂
DNS is the most neoliberal shit system that too many have just accepted as how computers work and always worked to the point where I have heard actual landlord arguments deployed to defend it
I like how a whole community of academics and researchers worked out how to run a system which, even into the modern day which is kind of amazing, is largely disconnected from being abused by government and industry, and just runs according to what the people who need to use the system need it to do. You can get extorted for a fancy domain name if you really want to, but you can also go to Hostinger and get one for $5/year or something, because a lot of the core of the system is still pretty well-protected from being a cash-grab, through application of good governance and cooperation.
And then, somehow Hexbear managed to find their way around that system and fucked things up for themselves, and now it’s all DNS’s fault that they stepped in a pile of doo doo.
Never forget the architects of the internet were some of the vilest US MIC and Silicon Valley ghouls who ever lived and they are still in control fundamentally no matter how much ICANN and IANA claim to be non-partison, neutral, non-political, accountable, democratic, international, stewardshipismists
Yes, John Postel and David Mills were some of the vilest ghouls and so on. There was nothing about them that could provide a good model for how to do effective cooperation and succeed outside the systems of ownership that defined computing and telecommunications at the time, no particular reason they succeeded so dramatically and gave you, ultimately, this space to post pig balls today, and nothing about their work and traditions that needs to be defended against any silicon valley ghouls in the modern day. You fucking dingbat. I started out sticking up for you guys because no one deserves to get victimized by DNS scammers, but I take it back, go fuck yourselves.
Well, Postel has been dead since 1998 and Mills since 2010, so I don’t think they’re included in people still in control. So they’ve got that going for them, which is nice, I guess.
Architects of the internet, they said.
If they said the people currently in charge of the internet are an uneasy alliance of shadowy goons and idiots, afraid to openly break anything too irrevocably but occasionally trying to yank on the wires to see if there isn’t some way a little more money inside them somewhere, I would generally agree.
I mean unlike housing, you don’t actually need to pay for a domain name. There are plenty of free alternatives if you ill like paying for a TLD, and in lieu of that you could just memorise the IP, or even instruct people to change their hosts file.
If I didn’t know this was chapotraphouse I would consider it an excellent shitpost.
What is with the weirdly shaped emojis.
Over on the linked page? They’ve got custom “emojis”, which are just pictures uploaded by an admin. Lemmy has that feature in general, but it’s not used much on other instances. If it’s enabled on your instance, you can type
:to select from all regular emojis plus custom ones.I know, but why are they so big.
In a good internet, you shouldn’t have to pay someone else for your own identity.
You don’t have to pay anything to have your own identity.
If you want someone else’s servers to replicate a piece of information for you, and you want them to take responsibility for administrative issues like figuring out whether you still want it next year or what to do if you’re doing something illegal, you may have to pay anywhere from $5 a year to $30 a year for the privilege depending on a couple of factors. Given how massively inflated the price of registering a domain could be, if the type of ghouls who like to get their hands on things like this were able to get their hands on it, I’m inclined to call that success. About 99% of internet users will never need to know or care about DNS, and they can still have their identity without having to pay $30 a year.
I’m pretty sure the price of domains has actually been going down over time, and they’ve introduced a bunch of new TLDs and new types of entries in the records in response to pretty much the only significant problems that the 40-year-old system has ever had during its history. Like I said, I’d call that success.
You don’t have to! You can run a DNS server out of your house and host any and all domain names you can think of!
Of course, nobody but you will use it, but it’s the principle of the thing, right?
Oh please. Principles are like asses: everyone’s got one, and everyone thinks it’s other peoples’s that stink.
Many things are worth nil on principle. It’s the execution that matters.
Tell me you have no idea how DNS works without saying you have no idea how DNS works.
This is amusing, but one guy from the crosspost raised a valid problem:
If the hexbear domain fully dies, then all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators.all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators
Many of them already do that with alt accounts, which would explain the considerable number of downvotes here.
They followed me around and down voted everything I posted for a while (memes, conversational comments, everything). Oh and they also threatened to kill me. Fuck hexbear and all its users.
I had a Hexbear account, but I once posted something that got 10+ upvotes, then someone came along, took it out of context and made an unfounded accusation.
I pushed back as gently as I could, got dogpiled, then the mods removed my comments. So I deleted the rest of my comments and posts along with my account.
They like to complain about how their bad reputation is undeserved, and then refuse to look in the mirror because they’re always right.
I have a more optimistic outlook. If they get spread out there’s a higher chance of them getting out of their echo chamber and becoming a normal person. And let’s be real, the worst of them will go into Lemmygrad to continue their circlejerk and thus won’t bother the wider fediverse. And the worst of them probably already have alts on other instances where they stir up shit.
Thanks for that. In this day and age, hearing something positive is a bliss, even it’s just deradicalizing hexers.
So the tankie idiots join the bigger pool of non-tankie idiots. How will we ever survive…
Right. I don’t mind people wearing certain red hats. It lets me know right up front what to expect. Reddit had the same dilemma once upon a time where specific subs were banned, and that just forced the roaches to hide in unknown areas where once you knew exactly where to find them all.
In my experience these “containment” boards/servers/sections tend not to work.
Long term it basically just creates a place that attracts those you don’t want, and becomes place for those ideologies to spread. Then it either gets bad enough they take over (you know the site) or they break off wholesale and form a new community dedicated to those worst impulses (pyrrhic victory at best).
The best policy is to actively moderate, and in the case of the fediverse, defederate, those groups and those that give them shelter.
Could not happen to a nicer bunch.
Truly salt of the earth
What’s the story with this place?
When I accidentally interacted with one of their communities, it basically felt like a tankie 4chan. After that I just banned the entire instance.
they were originally refugees from the reddit ban of r/chapotraphouse (which, while cringy, was not nearly as bad as r/the_donald that got banned in the same wave. but the reddit admins had a thing for being “fair and balanced”)
I’m not familiar with the first subreddit, what was that about?
It was by the largest (by a fair margin) socialist-aligned subreddit, but in practice it was like 60% shitposts. Was originally associated with the eponymous podcast, but the hosts have repeatedly said they disliked it.
Ah right. Appreciate the info!
The common clay of the fediverse.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Capitalist Practice You Know Just Accidentally Picked A Funny Target
No way, after all that posting hexbear is defeated by capitalism???
Nah. Socialists can charge for services.
It was defeated by an admin being so done with their shit he couldn’t be bothered lol.
Edit:
Actually. No. Wait a fucking minute.
This admin went spotty on contact like 3 months ago, right?
In November? And then he both didn’t want to give up control, but also didn’t want to pay a small amount of money. Like maybe he got what he wanted from the community and pulled the plug? Because it was never about the community.
deleted by creator
Tired: Lenin’s on sale again
Wired: Hexbear is a shitcoin
Blaming capitalism for domain names being a nightmare is hilarious, they are insanely cheap its 12$ a year for a .com, that is all, lol.
This is just straight up bad planning, they said they have jobs and lives like bro you turn on autorenew you put money in the card, any local business has no issues holding their domain for a decade lol, how do you just not make having it with the person hosting the site a priority.
The admins made a rookie mistake: they believed someone on the Internet.
“I’ll do it tomorrow” means fucking never. Nah, bitch, do it TODAY.
Not rlly there is a biding ongoing on hexbear.net namedomaine, the highest offer right now is 700 $
They literally didnt pay their under 20$ a year fee for renewal, its their own fault for not having the domain be with the same person managing hosting, it’s like amateur stuff to at least have them be an authorized user.
They were in contact with the dude who owns it a few times, wouldve taken minutes to add them as authorized users
2347$ now
ugh its back
And here I was complaining about cheeseburger.social going down. Our user count was well into the dozens. Dozens!
It’s (un)amusing how the Fediverse of all things still depends on a system of identity that relies on forcing trust on a third party that can take that identity from you at any point and without recourse (within that system). Or, you know, you can “forget to drink your internet identity verification can for the commercial god”, which is just as (un)funny.
Digital trust is a really complicated thing. DNS sure beats most of the alternative I can think of.
This is IMO a risk for many individual owned fediverse instance. Someone has a domain, at a point other admin take over, and the domain owner doesn’t renew no matter whether they forget because real life happens or due to some Drama.
Very few instances have a clear legal organizational (like a non profit club) running, which is more flexible when founders step out
Yeah this does prove a failing point for the fediverse that is an important part of larger adoption. This still mostly exists in large part by communal effort even if the community doesn’t appreciate it or recognize it
So this is a man-in-the-middle attack waiting to happen isn’t it? Buy the domain, setup a reverse proxy that points to the original hexbear server IP and start logging all requests.
Probably. In all honestly, if you are a hexbear user, I’d be keeping a careful eye on who owns the domain when it magically pops back up.
So… who’s outbidding them? Someone from tankiejerk? Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
Hard to say, we’ll have to wait and see who gets it.
I personally think there’s no point for them to try and get it back, they’ll most likely come back under a different domain.
Insert oh-no-well-anyway meme here.
I need a reminder of what hexbear is about. I recall something… off.
