Musk’s gork is as stupid as he is! And he claims it’s waaaaaayyyyy better than other AI. 🤡🤡🤡
I mean, the tech is changing faster than science can analyize it, but isnt this now outdated?
I dont use AI but a friend showed me a query that returned the sources, most of which were academic and appeared trustworthy
It’s just asking it m to find sources from excerpts. I don’t think this is something they have been trained on with much emphasis is it?
How does this surprise anyone?
LLMs are just pattern recognition machines. You give them a sequence of words and they tell you what is the most statistically likely word to follow based solely on probability, no logic or reasoning.
AI as a search engine is terrible.
Because if you treat it as such, it will just look at the first result, which is usually wrong or has incomplete info.
If you give the AI a source document, then it is amazing as a search engine. But if the source doc is the entire internet… its fucking bad.
Shit quality in, shit quality out. And we/corporations have made the internet abundant of shit.
just for clarity, some kind of learning algorithms have been used in web searches prior to this generative AI boom. I know for a fact that google used an AI to rank pages for its search before even gpt was a thing.
But you’re totally right. generative models shouldn’t be used as search engines.
I like how when you go pro with perplexity, all you get is more wrong answers
It’s making ten billion calculations per second and they’re all wrong!
Seriously, TRY and get an AI chat to give an answer without making stuff up. It is impossible. You can tell it “you made that data up, do not do that” … and it will apologize and say you were right, then make up more dumb shit.
You can tell it “you made that data up, do not do that”
I wish people would stop treating these tools as intelligent.
Yeah, LLMs are great if you treat them like a tool to create drafts or give you ideas, rather than like an encyclopedia.
I looked up on google at one point what the minimum required depth for a cable running under a building is by NEC code. It told me it was 0 inches. I laughed and called it stupid, wtf do you mean 0 inches?? Upon further research, 0 inches is the correct answer, I felt real stupid after that -_-
Seems like a depth of 0 inches means you can just lay it on the floor?
As mentioned with the other guy, 0 inches is the requirement to the top of the cable or raceway used. So at minimum, you’re allowed to be perfectly flush with the ground. Obviously you can and likely would go a little lower, although I don’t have any experience with trenching myself.
No, it means 50% of the cable must be submerged or buried. Little speed bumps all around.
The 0 inches is to the top of the cable or raceway used, so it would be have to be at least perfectly flush with the ground. Obviously you can go lower.
I’ll get hate for this but in most tasks people use them for they are pretty dang accurate. I’m talking about frontier models fyi
Copilot is such garbage. Microsoft swirling the drain on business capabilities that they should be dominating is very on brand.
Perplexity is not looking bad, IMHO.
Perplexity is by far the best for searching but still copiously hallucinates.
Capitalism breeds innovation! Sometimes innovating means summoning… mindless lie demons… Who drink all our water. 🙃
The core of the scam is making people believe that “novel” is the same as “better”.
That’s probably why I end up arguing with Gemini. It’s constantly lying.
I’m confused. These are large language models, not search engines?
Except Perplexity, which is indeed a search engine… which might explain why it does so well there.
I’m curious how Kagi would hold up, but the AI BS is entirely opt-in there so maybe they didn’t include it because of that.
Edit: lmao Perplexity is gross. Who would use this instead of an actual search engine?
I’ve used it a few times when I struggled to find answers with regular searches and felt like giving up or just wanted to see what it has to say. I took it for a spin for a test right now, asking “Which is the safest LLM service for a company in regards to privacy? ChatGPT, Anthropic or Mistral” and it actually found stuff that I didn’t before when I was looking into it.
But they are used like search engine… A lot… That is a huge issue.
If people were using Photoshop to create spreadsheets you don’t say Photoshop is terrible spreadsheet software, you say the people are dumb for using the tool for something that it isn’t designed for.
People are using LLMs as search engines and then pointing out that they’re bad search engines. This is mass user error.
Correction: companies are implementing it into their search engines. Users are just providing feedback.
Ironically, Google’s original non-LLM summary was pretty great. That’s gone now.
They do have search functionality. For Perplexity it’s even the main focus. Yeah, it’s hard to stop them from confidently making things up.
Tell that to the companies slowly replacing conventional search with AI.
AI search is a game-changer for those companies. It keeps you on their site instead of clicking away. So they retain your attention, and needn’t share any of the economic benefit with the sources that make it possible.
And when we criticize the quality of the results, who’s gonna hold them accountable for nonsense? “It’s just a tool, after all”, they say, Caveat emptor!”
Nevermind that they have a financial incentive to yield results that avoid disrespecting your biases, and offer no more than a homeopathic dose of utility — to keep you searching but never finding.
It’s a sprawling problem, that stems from the lack of protections around monopoly power, the attention economy, cribbing off other people’s work, and misinformation.
Your comment is technically correct. “You’re using the wrong tool” is a valid footnote. But it’s not the crux of the issue.
AI can be a load of shite but I’ve used it to great success with the Windows keyboard shortcut while I’m playing a game and I’m stuck or want to check something.
Kinda dumb but the act of not having to alt-tab out of the game has actually increased my enjoyment of the hobby.
Identifying the source of an article is very different from the common use case for search engines.
1:1 quotes of web pages is something conventional search engines are very good at. But usually you aren’t quoting pages 1:1.
