Very interesting 🤔💭
I love organic maps, sometimes I practice navigation by turning location off and using a compass with the downloaded map on my phone.
What is really needed is a fediverse for git repos
First off, that’s literally what Forgejo is trying to do
Secondly, git is technically already federated.
Things are a lot better than you might think. It’s just that people naturally gravitate towards centralized services, because of the network effect.
Sounds cool, So, but I wouldn’t be able to find Codeberg Repos.?
But is there also a standard for build pipelines?
why is Organic Street Maps better than the other ones, that claim to be Open Street Maps derived?
bandwidth is not disposable ya’ll.
I tried a lot of them and i like the interface of Organic the best.
Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.
You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.
This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can’t use Github, not because “microsoft bad” (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated to block them.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
Honestly after this post I will avoid Organic maps. More like genocide-complicit maps amirite.
Are you aware of how much open source work comes from Russians? Russians != Russian govt.
I don’t think I want my government deciding who can contribute to my open source project.
When Trump gets into a dick measuring contest with a US ally and sanctions them, POOF foreign contributors are gone. Community management, codebase familiarity, and open PRs be damned. It’ll kill open source projects.
Upvoting for the concise summary of what the article is about (thanks!); not for the opinion expressed (which appears to conflate Russian developers with the actions of the Russian government – something I find problematic at best).
Nothing personal against russian FOSS developers. They should be blocked (sanctioned) from contributing until the sanctions are stopped.
Russian bots down voting you.
This is how sanctions work. Don’t like it? Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
How about we get the american government to stop supplying Israel with bombs they drop on Gaza? Oh, I guess that’s too much effort.
Proceeds to use open source tooling with numerous contributions from US-based software developers
Remember kids, racism and bigotry are always okay if it’s against the right people.
I have nothing against Russian developers. But I do think they should be completely isolated and blocked from the outside world. That’s the whole point of sanctions.
By your logic developers in the US shouldn’t be allowed to contribute to free software either, after all the US is committing genocides and threatening to invade other countries
If some country will sanction US that is hosting FOSS, absolutely. That’s not mutually exclusive with this.
You’re causing more harm than good.
This was always going to jappen datahoarders we have to mirror all of github!
You don’t even have to be a datahoarder to help. Run ArchiveTeam warrior on a computer
Easiest way if you’re already someone who needs to use Docker, is to throw this compose file somewhere and run it: Docker Compose file for Warrior
Boycott all US based services.
Especially github. I thought all of you were supposed to leave that when microsoft bought it. I never used it but I definitely wouldn’t these days…
American here, please do this.
All of our companies are run by scumbags taking advantage of useful idiots. We need more options and legitimate competition.
Sucks for Organic Maps but that’s the FAANG.
Anyone have the story behind this? Fuck Microsoft and all that, but Github has historically been pretty good when it comes to not banning people for stupid reasons. Usually, it’s a DMCA thing or a valid security threat.
Recently, there was some controversy about closed source code powering a component of the project (https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837) but I didn’t keep up with that. Could this ban be related to that?
Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think
That’s weird. Russians and Americans aren’t sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.
They got unbanned, but it eroded trust that it won’t happen again
Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.
Edit: They’ve gone self hosted. That makes more sense.
Welcome to the “free world”.
conservative: says a racial slur
Online Platform: bans user
conservative: “sO mUcH fOr tHe tOlEraNt lEfT 😡”
Eh, you don’t really have a point when people get banned for saying men aren’t women.
Eh, you don’t really have a point when people get banned for saying men aren’t women.
Please elaborate? What exactly do you mean?
People get banned for saying men aren’t women. You don’t have a point when mods abuse their power.
Looks like my comment was censored for even pointing that out.
Censored for saying:
“People get banned for saying men aren’t women. You don’t have a point when mods abuse their power. Looks like my comment was censored for even pointing that out.”
Literally just proving me right and the original commenter wrong every time mods abuse their power here.
Let me give you an analogy.
I was born in the People’s Republic of China. I immigrated to the United States of America when I was not even 10. I grew up in America, I grew attached to the principles of Freedom and Democracy. I went through the proper channels and I obtained Citizenship through the proper way. I am an American.
If someone were to tell me that I’m “not American”, and that because I was “born Chinese, I must be Chinese for the rest of my life”; or, in your phrasing: “A Chinese person cannot become American” you’d be a xenophobe.
Gender is a social contruct. If a man wants to be a woman, or a woman wants to be a man, just let them. Its not denying that they have XX or XY chromosomes, that is what their biology says. But being a “Man” or “Woman” are labels society attributes to those chromosomes, just like the concept of Nationality.
TLDR: Please just let people be whoever they want to be. If you start attacking people’s identity, nobody is gonna wanna talk to you. If you want to spread transphobia, you can go to twitter. Enjoy your nazi bar.
Person: *makes an app for everyone to use*
Twitter baby: “Racial slurs! Racial slurs!”
Russia is free to fuck off out of Ukraine, simple as.
So why were they blocked.
they were blocked for supporting russia invasion of Ukraine.
Source?
I mean the owners of this “Estonian” company are Russian and Belarussian (company ownership is public record here in Estonia and foreigners can easily start companies), so I wouldn’t be surprised, but I also hate how easily unsubstantiated claims spread on the Internet.
One of their main contributors are in US sanctioned regions (Russia) so they can’t access it.
Really! Can’t believe them. Yeah fk microsoft.
Microsoft literally had no choice.
Government and major corporations are the exact same entity in the US.
Russia is being sanctioned because of its aggressive war against Ukraine.
Microsoft aren’t the bad guys for enforcing international sanctions.
So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.
that’s practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.
of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.
but we’re on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!
So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit
yes, that is the purpose of sanction. to target the lowest rung of society for supporting and promoting the invasion of Ukraine.
It is bullshit, you’re right.
Yes,you understand how sanctions work.
A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services. You couldn’t buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well…
And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it’s god damn right these sanctions exist.
BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn’t that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.
a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time
Most Russians are afraid to talk about politics at all. Their responses when questioned are either “I agree with what the government is doing” or “I don’t talk politics.”
We should be strengthening our ties with these oppressed people in order to help them, and help Ukraine as a result. Instead we’re doing the “average intelligence” play of furthering their oppression while funneling money to the MIC.
This war has been a great example of how many useful idiots are around us.
I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.
The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid “trade war”…
Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc… then it starts to get interesting.
Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US. If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months. A “you can’t trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US” would be interesting.
And tbh, from what I gather it’s absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it’s not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for “further escalation”. Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to “bring back”. Hint: It’s not the US.
Yes. That’s how sanctions work.
Part of the intention is to pressure citizens of the country for violating international law so they exert pressure on their governments to stop.
Another part is to remove the use of tooling to support the sanctioned nation.
Russia could stop the war and problem is solved. This isn’t Microsoft being the bad guy, this is Microsoft following international law.
Does that work?
Is it right to tell random people “hey you, it’s your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us”?
No, it’s not right.
People on these forums have been conditioned to see the world through their fairytale-lens and nothing else, though.
A part of oppression is removing people’s ability to fight back. Anyone who holds the average Russian responsible for the war is just playing into the hands of the cabal. It’s like they never heard of Navalny, or any other Russian dissenters.
These people need our help. We shouldn’t victim-blame them and say they need to topple a dictator all on their own.
Same goes for North Korea.
Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions… we’ll have to get back to you on that one.
Sanctions are bullshit economic violence. This is a great example.
Probably better this economic violence than I dunno, the physical violence Russia has exerted on the Ukrainian populace?
Not sure why you’re arguing “better” when we have both.
I don’t think we’re currently doing both of those things to Russia.
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Whyyy???
We need something like Forgejo, but decentralized, like Lemmy. I don’t want to create a new account for every Forgejo instance, just to be able to report a bug…
You know, git initially was that kind of thing where people would send diff commits on mailing lists. Git is perfectly decentralized already. And there’s no need for federation.
Forgejo is already decentralized too. You could host your own instance right now, if you’d want.
Gitea has basic federation, I believe
Have you heard of … Git?
:-)
There is no command
git issue create [hostname] [title] [description]and if there was such a command, it’d require authentication on the specific instance to prevent spam.You still need to create an account on each Forgejo instance to report a bug there…
And even, if you commit code or make a pull request… Git might be decentralized (you can develop with your friend independently from each other and merge it), but try to commit code to a GitHub project, GitLab instance or Forgejo instance without having an account there to authenticate yourself… It won’t work.
You mean git inherently requires you to identify yourself?
Huh, shock
git identification has nothing to do with authentication, as any sane person with git experience knows
I’m not sure what you are trying to say.
My point was from the beginning that I don’t want to create 2 accounts when I report a bug a bug on Forgejo instance 1 and on instance 2.
The suggestion whether I have heard about git does not solve anything about that…
Some one else here mentioned that it’s possible to login with Mastodon on each of the instance, which is the correct direction (allows to report a bug on both instances via an external account). Disadvantage is still: My 2 bug reports are not linked to each other, because there is no shared Forgejo profile, which would actually require something like federation.
I think that’s bad (for my personal use) because if I accidentally commit a secret key, how do I claw it back? Basically, how would I claw anything back if it’s on a blockchain aka on thousands/millions of computers already (you can’t).
You can make commits on your system without pushing them to the remote server, and that’s the default behavior.
that’s already a concern. what if someone just cloned your repo? there’s also plenty of people that mirror public repos to their personal forgejo server. forgejo makes it very easy.
the only solution to mitigate such a mistake is to
1) invalidate the token
2) remove the commitIn that order.
If you push a secret key you should definitely generate a new one. Way to many bots out there that scan new commits for exactly that reason
Yeah it’s not an insurmountable problem but it has happened to me where I push some commits and I realize “oh lemme remove this code because it leaks a little info about me personally” etc
I did not mean decentralized hosting of the projects (e.g. your project will be on all instances).
I meant decentralized account usage (e.g. you can use your example.com forgejo account to create an issue on otherexample.org)… Just like Lemmy… I could use my reddthat.com lemmy account to create a post on your instance lemmy.world without having to register there.
Obviously you go and change the key instead?
You are correct in principle, but Lemmy isn’t on a blockchain. It’s much less permanent.
There is this, havent tried
Git is already decentralized, nothing is stopping you from adding multiple remotes to your repo.
The issue tracker is usually the concern
Yeah, that was my point in the first comment… But not only that…
The development with multiple people is decentralized, yes…
But even, if I add 3 remotes to my repo (1 to GitHub, 1 to Forgejo instance A and 1 to Forgejo instance B), guess what happens, if you don’t have an account on each of these… Try pushing code or making a pull request and see how it fails, because you are not authenticated…
if you are looking for decentralised vcs you can try radicle, I tried a while ago pretty good. FYI Forgejo supports mastodon login
Wouldn’t it be the other way around, having someone centralized so with one account you can report bugs in any public project?
Do you know how lemmy works?
I do, what I don’t know is how Forgejo works. Doesn’t having to make an account for every project mean it’s already decentraliced, but just doesn’t communicate between instances?
I agree that it’s already kind of decentralized, so I also added the word “federated” to my original post.
Forgejo is in fact working on being decentralized, just like the underlying git structure is. There are some first federation things in there, but the full implementation is still pretty far out.
Nice! It even supports the same RSS feed format. For anyone who also wants FOSS releases injected straight into their veins https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/releases.atom
I always kept telling Free-software & OpenSource projects to move to GitLab, Codeberg or SourceHut
You cannot fight capitalists on a capitalists platform.
& if you want something that’s even more independent try Fossil
Codeberg is a non-profit that has no fees, but accepts donations. They only allow FOSS projects.
Why would I move away from git if I could just move away from github/lab and keep git?
Are you talking about Fossil ? Fossil’s commands are just like git’s & with the added benefit of having Github’s stuff like wiki & even a forum built into it
That’s a gimmick that doesn’t justify the costs of switching from Git (IMO)
If you want decentralized collaboration features in git without using forge software, you can use mailing lists like the Linux kernel does.
