Why are most people here are negative and rude?
Just to be clear here, I am not talking about instance, rather I am asking about the whole community.
There is no one I seen here who even had expressed any passion towards anything really.
I cannot understand how did that happen?
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You’re asking something that is extremely subjective, in a very combative way. You don’t seem like you have good intentions
This comment is pretty ironic.
Almost as ironic as blithely accusing a large collection of disparate communities of having a culture of hate, negativity and rudeness.
How so?
It was factual and stated neutrally as far as I can tell.
Saying “You don’t seem like you have good intentions” is, itself, extremely subjective in a very combative way.
You’re asking something that is extremely subjective, in a very combative way. You don’t seem like you have good intentions
I’m gonna save that line for starting fights.
Don’t come out swinging 🤷♂️
I don’t see much of that myself. Either it’s mostly from the few people I have blocked or it’s the communities I’m not in.
I’m also not sure why negative and rude is the same as dispassionate to you. Maybe that’s why we’re not seeing the same things. Or maybe that’s not what you meant to say, but that’s how this reads to me.
No it’s definitely there, but you’re right that it seems variable by community.
I don’t think Lemmy has a particularly more hateful user base than any other site, or than the population in general. However, I think the demographics here mean that the handful of Lemmy users who are hateful tend to be so in the same direction. So if there are two positions for some topic, hate for one position will be more common on Lemmy than the other. This can manifest in many ways.
I suspect there are many others, but I’ll talk about the one I’ve noticed. On some of the Christian communities here on Lemmy, all the posts have been downvoted more than upvoted. Kinda makes me think there are a few people who just downvote every post they see on those communities.
Besides communities, it could also depend on your instance. The one I’m on, for example, makes a point of providing a safe space for gender diverse people to hang out, so the admins will defederate with any instance that does not police itself sufficiently to avoid bigotry. I imagine that means I end up seeing very little of the hate that goes in the broader fediverse. No big loss, I’m sure.
Same here, but I block political and news communities on my main account
Because it’s on the internet.
Lemmy seems less like a space built around a shared passion for ideas or a vision of a better future, and more like a community bonded by mutual hatred of an outgroup. The sense of belonging often comes not from shared goals or values, but from shared enemies. That kind of dynamic tends to breed a negative, hostile culture where outrage and mockery are more common than curiosity or constructive discussion.
If you have only been here for a month it’s not enough time to judge if the culture is changing, no?
Also you’re saying two different things, that people are negative and rude and that they aren’t expressing any passion. I think some users are negative and rude, but they definitely still express passion even though it isn’t always positive. Lemmy users have always held strong and passionate beliefs, it’s part of why we decided to leave mainstream social media and use Lemmy instead.
Sometimes those beliefs clash, but I don’t think it’s gotten any more negative lately. Plus it varies so much from server to server and community to community. It’s pretty foolish to paint all of Lemmy with the same brush because really it’s a bunch of independent communities with different attitudes and behaviors that are also able to interact with each other.
Once I replied to a meme and got 10 people replying with hateful things, downvoting my replies, nobody had my back did’nt understand why. Turned out the meme I replied to was posted in a communist instance and the anti-us sentiment wasn’t really a joke. At some point a mod blocked me from replying so I blocked the instance and never looked back. If I see a user or community from specific instances I think twice before I reply. 99% of the time I feel free to say whatever I want, so I don’t really care about the parts of lemmy where I’m not. I’ve seen plenty of passionate and caring people in the 2-3 weeks since I registered, so don’t know how you’ve missed them so far. They’re here though.
I think that the variety of leftists here, ranging all the way from people who don’t hate voting for Democrats to literal Stalinists, is one of the peculiarities of Lemmy that I find interesting. With that said, actually engaging with any of the ones more like the latter than the former is, as you’ve experienced, unrewarding.
I don’t think it’s something limited to Fedi, but internet in general. The whole social media “algorithm” promotes such posts, an edgy extreme post filled with hate will get more reactions and upvotes, than a “lame” conventional opinion, so you’re more likely to see it. I am not sure how to even fix it, I think it’s one of the fundamental problems if the internet, but this is how it is
There is no algorithm like that here. You could argue that “popular” posts are the most inflammatory, but that’s not the case in a lot of the communities I frequent.
The algorithm in this case is the human ego multiplied by the limits of text communication.
Fair, but I would argue that in and of itself is not the major problem. There were flame wars/trolls/squabbles on the internet for years. Then along came the rage-rewarding algorithms and clickbait based on profiling, and it all went to shit. Basically, dumping gasoline on ego and indignity.
You are correct in your history for sure.
My comment was more focused on Lemmy and the reason for occasional outbreaks of nastiness. There is no algorithm in the sense you describe on Lemmy.
I meant to convey that what we see on Lemmy is a property that emerges from human interaction through this medium.
Our conversation may be an example of this. I made a comment that was short, but I thought it was unambiguous. Your reply was thoughtful and topical. But a short text requires you to fill in a lot of context. So you may create a slightly different picture than I intended.
This is a deep cut sci-fi tangent, but it applies. Being pseudonymous and not having durable social reputation makes for different human behaviors.
True Names by Vernor Vinge exceprt
The full story is available with a search on the title and author.
I browse 3-5 times a day, and see something unnecessarily rude maybe once a week or so. I’ve not noticed any change in rudeness or negativity recently.
Without hard data, mood trends identified on social media usually say more about the identifier than the community.
Only been here a short while, and have had mainly positive experiences. I’ll usually give people benefit of the doubt as it can be hard for some to express themselves in text - so can come across as rude. Obvious trolling I just ignore.
Got an example?
From the same post: https://lemmy.world/comment/16178255
I mean something that demonstrates a consistent culture of hate, not just one comment disagreeing with you.
As others have said, one’s view of Lemmy is highly dependent upon the instances and communities that one frequents. As someone who isn’t a habitué of politics, news, sport or meme communities, I’ve found my fellow lemmings to be pleasant, but I also believe that that is due to trying to be helpful and polite myself and being willing to apologize when warranted.
Totally agree. People here are some of the worst I have ever seen. Like actually worse than Reddit. Easily. Pretty sure most people here are just miserable depressed fucks. Kinda makes sense honestly.
with the enshittification of all other social media, the exodi and influx would be appropriate for this particular cartoon about little blobs being unwelcome, creating their own space, then being crowded out to the dialogue “oh no”…clear??
While the communities you view may differ from my own experience, I would say that political and news themed communities have had an uptick in aggression.
My sense is that it is less about the overall population on Lemmy, but more about the polarization of news and political topics in our society. If there were truly a force actively trying to promote a culture war to prevent a class war, I’d say they are doing an effective job.
Outside of news/politics communities, postings, and (directly or indirectly) related comments (or commenters), I have not experienced an increase in outright negativity and rudeness.
Just like in any written dialogue, I think some expressions of humor can be written or received poorly, lending to a received sense of rudeness—and those moments sometimes serve as reinforcement of actual offensive aggression observed elsewhere, you dick /s.
Jokes aside, I do appreciate you drawing attention to it, as a reminder for each of us to do our part to express ourselves more clearly—allowing for discussion, disagreement, sarcasm, and humor while maintaining respect and civility.
And, of course, continue to block users and communities you find objectionable; though, I would challenge anyone to ask themselves if they are blocking to avoid offensive content, or are they blocking to avoid content which does not align with their views. Silencing different points of view, ultimately, only expedites the original problem.
I only have this issue on political communities. Anger towards Americans is much more pronounced on Lemmy than on Reddit. People will call for violence a lot more frequently here than on Reddit.
I understand the anger towards Americans, but it can be downright toxic to organizing at times.
