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Start of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Now I have to worry every day that people I know (who have not managed to escape Ukraine) will either get killed by a Russian rocket or will get kidnapped from the streets by Ukrainian “recruitment officers”.

Left-wingers identify nearly everyone who doesn’t agree with them or doesn’t share their delusions as “right-wing extremists”.

The existence of this post (and its title in particular) might give you a clue…

I haven’t seen Kamala saying anything about ending the war tho or having a plan for that…

Well, considering you cannot provide any evidence/proofs to anything you’re saying, I guess there is nothing more to talk with you about :(

That’s a shame

Holy shit, you wrote such long comment, and it still doesn’t prove a single manipulation/deceptio n/lie from me XD

This is not a true statement on its face.

Let me give you a tip, since you seem to struggle argumenting: if you want to prove it - the easiest way is to provide a counter-example ;)

Most replies to your “innocent inquiries” provide evidence of your deception as you reply with moved goal-posts.

Well, again - provide a single example of that :)

This claim is an absurd falsehood that is evident to every rational human who reads your comment history.

And again, a fallacy without an actual argument.

Your post history is consistent evidence of my claim. Every comment you’ve made on Lemmy has been deceptive and manipulative on its face or in its substance.

Here we go again…
Every time somebody says this, I ask for just one example. And never receive it (because I neither manipulate nor deceive anyone :).
So, any examples? :)

There is no such thing as a “good conservative” alive today.

Well yeah, you definitely seem like a good guy

It is not possible for a liberal to enter a discussion in good faith. Every word uttered by a liberal is deception or manipulation. Every word.

See? I can do it as well :)
Now, do you have an actual point/argument that makes sense?

You seem to have trouble understanding my question :(

Let me rephrase it in that case - whom should I support if I want war to end?
It’s definitely not Dems though, as they will continue the war just like they were doing this whole time.

In case you are not willing to answer it, good day to you as well :)

Well, first of all no - it’s a fallacy and doesn’t work like that ;)

Secondly, if there are two parties, and you distrust both, but first party has been supporting war for two years and says that they will continue to do so, and the second party says they will stop it - how is it not the logical choice to support the second party (assuming you are actually affected by the war and so want it to end)?

There is no motivation for Russia to accept the current front lines.

I don’t think this is correct…
We now know the details of the peace talks (from Ukrainian sources!) that started right at the beginning of the war, where Russia was ready to retreat to pre-war (so 2022) borders.
So I’m actually reasonably sure that Russia would absolutely accept the current front-lines.
The only reason there is no peace talks happening, is because Zelensky’s demands are absolutely clownish (seriously, I don’t know a better word here) - “give us back all the territories you captured, including Crimea, and then we will be ready to talk”.

What do you mean Ukraine won’t accept them?
Trump’s promise was to

• Tell Putin that if he refuses to negotiate they will send much more weapons to Ukraine (isn’t that what you want btw?).
• Tell Zelensky that if he refuses to negotiate they will stop all weapon supplies.

If there won’t be weapon supplies, Zelensky will finally be forced to accept peace. Additionally he will lose his only reason for staying in power, and there will finally be elections in Ukraine.

Well, you are right, there is no reason to believe him or any other politician.
But dems openly say that they will continue the war, and Trump at least promises to end it. So you know, with Trump there is at least a chance for peace, while with whatever Dem candidate there will be - the chance is zero.

I didn’t bring it into the discussion, but sure, let’s talk about it :)

What is your opinion on Azov brigade? Are those guys cool and not nazis? What about Ukrainian government (and Zelensky in particular) endorsing them (by publicly posting photos with them for example, etc.)?

What is your opinion on Stepan Bandera, that cool guy and totally not nazi who fought for Ukrainian independence, and who is being glorified in Ukraine and after whom streets are renamed?

Those two are just the most famous examples :)

but wouldn’t the US surrendering Ukraine result in the erasure and eradication of Ukrainian culture.

Why would it? Trump did not promise to “surrender Ukraine”, he promised to force both sides to negotiate and end the war. I don’t think those negotiations would include whole Ukraine becoming Russia, do you think so? Most likely scenario is that the current front lines become the new borders, and most of the lost territories (Lugansk, Doneck, Crimea) don’t really have " Ukrainian culture" they are mostly Russian speaking. It’s a little bit different with Kherson and Zaporizhzhya but they still don’t have nearly as much “Ukrainian culture” as western Ukraine.

His promise to end the war in Ukraine, thus saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Seems like a good reason to me :)

Thanks.

As a Ukrainian, I can’t even imagine ever dodging a bigger bullet than when I left Ukraine before the war started…

If I had stayed there I’d have to either constantly hide from the “draft officers” or risk my life trying to either (of course illegally) cross the border to Romania through mountains/rivers or to the occupied territorries. Or I’d just be dead already from a shell…

Literally life versus death decision.

Oh shit, this was supposed to go under a different comment, I don’t know how did that happen 🤦
Basically there: https://lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/post/1184/5077

So much this!
It’s really hard to find someone here who can engage in a healthy discussion, it’s ad hominem over and over and over again (not even talking about downvotes, as I don’t really care about those funny nunbers)…
And I really don’t get it, is it Lemmy specific thing for some reason? Why? It’s so absurd, that I think even /pol/ despite everything that is going on there has better discussion to noise ratio… :/