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I got a “dry” promotion at my last position, and obviously I took it. I then put my new title on my Resume, when job hunting for a few months and found a new position that came with a 20%+ pay raise.
I’m actually a big fan of promotions that don’t include raises, because it shows that your employer doesn’t actually value you as an employee, and enables you to get a much larger raise at a new company compared to whatever raise your current employer would’ve given you if they cared at all about retention.
This works great for highly educated white collars!
Not for the other 70%+ of the workforce though.
Preach it. I fought and fought to get my ASQs and CQEs (quality certs) as an automations guy. I worked in fda/dea/gmp environments with those systems so why they hell not. Took 2 years to finally get both and bailed immediately. Did all my bs six sigma bullshit along the way.
If it’s a smash and grab for them then it’s a smash and grab for me.
I took a promotion without a pay rise on the agreement it would come when pay was reviewed annually. A shit deal, but one I was prepared to accept on the balance of things. I made clear that if they didn’t follow through then I would immediately demote myself and start looking for a new job.
Pay review came around and it was below inflation. I immediately demoted myself and started looking for a new job. I even requested an internal transfer that was denied (made them too much money where I was).
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
Funnier still, I returned 6 months later (due to a quirk in contracts) at double the salary in the dept I requested a transfer to.
Anyway my point is - do what is to your benefit, always. Companies can play games - as can you.
I handed in my notice a short while later and everyone was, to my surprise, surprised. I really didn’t understand why the shock…until I learned in due course that most people don’t follow through.
When I was a young adult, I used to work as a lab tech in a plasma center. That involved taking liter bottles of plasma, checking the computer system, filling out paperwork, drawing fluid and taking blood vials to run in a centrifuge, and frequently having to redo paperwork because the barely-trained phlebotomists kept sending them to me covered in drops of blood. Of course, this not only took longer, but meant I had to sanitize the entire area, change PPE, and get shit from the rest of the team for not just taking their biohazard-contaminated paperwork regardless. The room held 50 to 100 donors at a time, and the lab team was just two people.
My immediate boss would routinely just fucking disappear or taking random lunches, even during rushes, leaving me to handle everything on my own. She’d get pissy over small things, and spent time chatting with management in the offices, just hanging out, while I did all the work.
One day, she did something like this and left. I muttered to myself that I was going to quit. I finished the sample I was working on and went into the -40 degree biohazard freezer to store the sample.
Cut to a minute later, I came out of the freezer to see someone from management in the lab, saying “I heard you’re quitting?”
…what?
She said “Fine then. Go ahead and go.” (or something like that.)
I was stunned, but realized that my shitty manager must have heard me on her way out, and fucking told on me. I hadn’t planned on following through, and was mostly just upset at being used, but now?
“Fuck it.” I thought. “I said I’ll do it, so I’ll do it.”
I’m not a good speaker, but I basically stumbled over some short apology like that I would have finished the work day first, but would leave now if she wanted to. Her reply was to get all exasperated, as if she hadn’t expected me to do anything but crumple at being confronted, and she told me “Well, have a nice life then!” as I walked out the door. Never saw her or my shitty manager again. Years later, I did hear my shitty manager had gotten fired or something, for being shit at hear job.
I think I made the right choice.
(Edited for typos, so many typos…)
I want the games to end. Fun time is over
And their promises mean nothing.
So true. I’ve seen promises broken for a multitude of reasons: malice, ignorance, naivity, legality…we always reach for malice but it isn’t always.
Same deal though - a company will break promises, so don’t feel any obligation on your part. Of course this needs to be balanced with your reputation in your industry.
Its not malice. Its just something they said. It was empty words. Never an intention to keep it.
So… Lieing, looks like malice to me.
Once got offered a promotion to make less. Made $15/hr as a “Junior” but got 1.5x Overtime and there was always as much overtime as you wanted.
Got offered a “Not Junior” full-time role for $30,000/year.
Just got up and left. Went home and started applying elsewhere. I know I was replacing a person who made 60k
Now I need to know if the next tier was, “Definitely-Not-Junior”.
It actually swaps to “Definitely-Not-Senior”
So the industry that I was in for a long time was production based, meaning your income is reflected by your physical performance. It was extremely demanding and also quite high paying.
So, I got stupidly good at this job. And I rarely took on additional responsibilities, because that would actually mean more stress and less money. In this industry, there were two reasons to go into management: you either had trouble coping with the physical strain that came with this insane work, or because you wanted to hold power over others. But it wasn’t a pay bump and it was more work/responsibility. Consequently the people who took this on were rarely the people who should have and the industry on the whole suffers accordingly.
Haha! I worked for a contract cleaning crew for some time. Turnover was very high since the hours and wages sucked. The only people who hung around long enough to become managers were eminently unfit to be managers. Seems like managers are destined to suck for a large number of reasons.
More responsibility without a pay increase sounds like a scam to me.
I was once asked if I wanted to be the project manager for a system I was working on. Purely a internal title with no pay increase. Lol, fuck no.
Well you can do the route of getting some PM experience and then doing that.
This. Also, project managers are very much sought after, and you can relatively easily switch industrial sectors if that’s what you like. I’m currently on my 4th, only the 1st one was software.
How did you get your education and/or first experience with project management? I’m finding myself being pushed into a project management role and am finding it to be a difficult transition. I’m not unhappy about the transition and it is coming with increased pay, but I need to learn skills that will help me in the role.
Increased responsibility = increased compensation.
Same here!
Them: How about liason-title with added meetings and responsibilities?
Me: Does it pay more?
Them: Unfortunately, it does not.
Me: Unfortunately, I do not work for free.
Of course you do.
The goal is not to earn more. The goal is to do fuck all.
Yes, take it. Then immediately update your resume with your new job title and look for another job.
No.
One of the positive things I took from this absolute stark nutball I worked with, is the idea that it’s better to be richer than famous, no matter what.
Taking a promotion and getting more visibility without a pay bump to match seems to break this rule.
Life doesnt have to be this way. We can thrive, not barely survive. We just need to keep trying new things till something works while we still have time.
How do we try new things? We do away with First post voting and get an opportunity to vote for people and political parties that have fresh ideas. With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is representedby their choices in the voting booth. More peopleinvolvedin the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
Obligatory plug for STAR Voting, not Ranked Choice Voting. STAR voting better avoids situations where voting for a preferred candidate can cause a less preferred candidate to win.
You will never fix a rotted tree by bevpming part of the rot. Fuck all this voting shit. It’s a distraction, and you will never get change without direct action.
Vote with your hands. Maybe build a guillotine, spend some time at the range, program light bulbs to feel bloodlust, whatever. Then maybe vote. But its pointless til then.
Hell no!
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I think it’s great. Promote your employees to leverage their “promotion” on their resume and find a higher paying job elsewhere. Too many people getting comfy with these corporations that couldn’t give a rats ass about them.
As others have said, you take the ‘promotion’ and IMMEDIATELY start looking for a new job with your new title on your resume.
Corporations are not loyal to you. Do not be loyal to them.
As a hiring manager, I’d never consider someone for the role they took on yesterday when recruiting. That just doesn’t make any sense.
You are allied with the crapitalistic corporaturds.
