Used a couple of US recipes recently and most of the ingredients are in cups, or spoons, not by weight. This is a nightmare to convert. Do Americans not own scales or something? What’s the reason for measuring everything by volume?

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    3 months ago

    If you’d use metric, then weight & measurements on measuring cups would be basically the same. Like, 1 liter or milk or water is exactly 1 Kg. Using arbitrary measurements like “cups” or “feet” are just confusing and prone to error.

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      3 months ago

      Milk has a specific gravity slightly higher than 1, so that isn’t accurate.

      Also, “cups” and “feet” aren’t arbitrary. They aren’t part of the metric system, but a cup is a standardized unit of volume and a foot is a standardized unit of length.

      • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        It’s close enough for home cooking, the specific gravity of milk is around 1030g/L so unless your recipe calls for multiple liters of Milk the small difference isn’t going to affect the result.

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          3 months ago

          It’s close enough for home cooking

          And now you are getting to the reason why American use volume for recipes. If I don’t need the precision of mass for recipes as it won’t appreciably affect the taste, then why break out the scale?

            • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
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              3 months ago

              It’s really mainly only flour though, because can be compacted, most of the things that you’re using in the kitchen like baking powder or sugar aren’t going to be compacted to any appreciable level.

              For flour, you pour it into your measuring cup and then run the spine of a knife or something over it to get rid of the excess flour and get a level cup

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                3 months ago

                There are many of other things that can be compacted or have different volume to weight ratios.

                Corn starch is like flour, you can pack it down.

                Salt (Table vs Kosher) Kosher salt has about half the volume to weight as table salt.

                Shredded Cheese (this one always bugs me. Is it 3 cups after shredding, or before… how packed in should it be), etc.

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                  3 months ago

                  A lot of volumetric baking recipes tell you to run the grain through a sieve to remove clumps, this generally standardizes the density well enough.

                  Salt is usually assumed to be table salt unless noted in the recipe. Even then, most recipes have a point to them where they tell you to taste the food and add salt to taste as necessary.

                  What are you cooking with shredded cheese where the ratio is that important?

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                  3 months ago

                  Are you measuring cornstarch?

                  Maybe I just have weird cornstarch but anytime I try to actively scoop out of it, it’s like trying to scoop baking powder.

                  • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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                    3 months ago

                    I use it frequently in coatings for Japanese deep fried foods, usually mixed with flour and salt in particular ratios.

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              3 months ago

              In my other responses, I’ve noted that I don’t bake. In other people’s responses, they’ve noted that there are still a lot of baking recipes out there that don’t require precision.

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                3 months ago

                Precision in baking is massively overstated. The earliest recipes are in parts if you’re lucky. More likely they are mix in these ingredients until it looks right.

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          3 months ago

          Elevation changes everything though and if you don’t adjust the measurements change more.

          If you’re at sea level, sure.

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        3 months ago

        Exactly. How is a foot anymore arbitrary then a meter?

        Or a cup anymore arbitrary then an ounce?

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          3 months ago

          Imperial measurements were based on arbitrary things, metric has specific scientific definitions for their weights.

          1l of water is 1kg at sea level, why the fuck is kings foot size the defacto foot?

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            Imperial measurements were based on arbitrary things, metric has specific scientific definitions for their weights.

            What do you mean? A pound is legally defined as 0.45359237 kilograms.

            And the kilogram is defined:

            The kilogram, symbol kg, is the SI unit of mass. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.62607015×10^−34 when expressed in the unit J⋅s, which is equal to kg⋅m^2 ⋅s^−1, where the metre and the second are defined in terms of c and ΔνCs.

            These are all currently defined off of the same universal constants, just with different multipliers, which are all arbitrary numbers: 6.62607015 is just about as arbitrary as 0.45359237. Hell, the number 10 is arbitrary, too, so we still use a system for time based on dividing the Earth’s day into 24 and 60.

            Like, I get that there’s some elegance in the historical water-based definitions derived from the arbitrary definition of length, but the definition of “meter” started from about as arbitrary a definition as “foot” (and the meter was generally more difficult to derive in the time of its adoption based on the Earth’s dimensions).

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            Until a few years ago, a kilogram was defined by a block of metal.

            From 1799 to 1960, the metre was defined by another block of metal. Before 1799, it was defined by a measurement that was hard to verify.

            That kind of sounds arbitrary.

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      3 months ago

      1 liter of milk weighs more than 1 kilo. Milk is denser than water therefore 1 liter of it has to weigh more than water.

      Edit: I just looked it up and 1 liter of milk is 1.03 kilos.

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        3 months ago

        Well since we’re nitpicking, a kilogram is a unit of mass, not weight. So unless by “kilo” you meant kilonewton…