• Panda (he/him)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Oh, no! What will I do without my level 5 gyatt rizz livvy fanum tax dunne rizzing up baby gronk ice spice wat da dawg doin skibidi toilet in real life only in ohio we go jim zyzz creatine alpha sigma cuh dey board?

    This bill would also outlaw using VPNs to view such restricted platforms, and has a general policy that would allow lawmakers to ban any platform they claim is a national security risk. No overreach here!

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      The poor kids will lose everything because of course you can only host that kind of fucking trash on tik tok!! It’s either on tik tok or not at all!!!

      it’s ridiculous how attached these children are to a chinese company lol. They just host the goddamn footage and provide an algo to feed that shit to you. THAT’S IT! TT ain’t some special fuckin unicorn

      but the kids are kids and they don’t want to think about and understand that. Most on tiktok probably don’t even know of or remember Vine or the other previous iterations of the same exact shit concept. But noooo, the CCP must be allowed to frame the narratives/algos and vacuum up all possible PII data!!!

      now that aside, the VPN part you mention is indeed disturbing. Could you please provide the source / exact wording for this claim? I want to read more about it but can’t find anything close to what you are suggesting

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8038/text?s=3&r=1#HD60D74A6FC80475CB7548A1180BA4598

      VPN or virtual private network are not mentioned anywhere

      • Panda (he/him)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        TikTok is also a pretty effective protest tool, which is also a threat to conservatives. It’s just funny how they’re so against the CCP rotting the brains of children but do nothing about the black box of YouTube recommendations and every American social media platform (until they started banning campaign misinformation)

        VPn or virtual private network are not mentioned anywhere

        Shit, they revised it then. I remember there was originally language like that in the original 2023 version.

        Currently 0-2 today for spreading correct information.

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          yes haha, I agree. It’s not a consistent position which is really dumb.

          I’m glad they revised it!! It’s still good to call it out as I wasn’t aware of that being in an old version!! Sneaky little bastards

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    “they won’t let the algorithm be sold and without it, it’s an empty deal” I don’t see how that’s a problem. Obviously there’s a great deal of knowledge about what “the algorithm” does across the userbase; just get users to raise tickets about what they miss and others to upvote them, then knock them off one by one. There’s nothing magic about “users who liked post A also liked post B” or “company X paid us $1000000000000 so here’s post C whether you like it or not”. It might even end up being better than the original.

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    I will never vote for my rep again because of this. Climate change, runaway COL, rising wealth inequality, legalize cannabis, Middle East on fire, flood in the district that killed people…utter silence.

    Banning Tik Tok was the priority.

    I won’t vote GOP but my rep is never getting my vote again.

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    Weren’t you all just hating on Republicans for not voting for that bill.

    How about an all bills must be fucking separate bill?

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      This was a separate bill. Til Tok, Taiwan, Ukraine, and Israel were all separate. They were brought to the floor at the same time, but they could’ve all been voted on differently

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    Minimum wage has been $7.25/hr for 15 years and this is what they’re getting done on Capitol Hill 🤪

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    It would mark the first time ever the U.S. government has passed a law that could shut down an entire social media platform, setting the stage for what is expected to be a protracted legal battle.

    “It is unfortunate that the House of Representatives is using the cover of important foreign and humanitarian assistance to once again jam through a ban bill that would trample the free speech rights of 170 million Americans,” said TikTok spokesman Alex Haurek.

    National security officials in Washington have feared that the Chinese government could use TikTok to promote propaganda aimed at interfering in U.S. elections, or surveil some of the 170 million Americans who use the app every month.

    While there has been no evidence made public that Chinese government officials have accessed Americans’ information through TikTok, the idea that China has the theoretical ability to weaponize an app used by half of America has been enough to set off an all-out crackdown.

    And during the Trump administration’s campaign against TikTok, China added content-recommendation algorithms to its export-control list, meaning selling the technology would require the blessing of the Chinese government.

    “The Chinese said very firmly this month at senior levels that they won’t let the algorithm be sold and without it, it’s an empty deal,” Lewis told NPR.


    The original article contains 701 words, the summary contains 215 words. Saved 69%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    Crazy that the proposed solution to propaganda is banning media instead of investing in education that promotes critical thinking. Or maybe the idea here is “no propaganda except mine”.

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      Investing in education is counter to the clear goals of the USA. Smart people would revolt, protest,and you know, hold companies and billionaires accountable. Uneducated people are often poor, can’t afford to fight back and are scared they will lose what little they have.

      At some point we need all to fight back, but it might be too late. And worse, too few will join in out of fear of death.

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      What do you think billionaires are bribing congress for? Regulatory capture keeps all the competitors out. Whereas actually fixing the problem of social media brainwashing would cost them money.

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      Looking at things pragmatically widespread education of the population takes time and simply won’t take for some people. There are folks today complaining that “they don’t teach taxes in school”. These people have a problem filling out a 1040EZ. Not exactly encouraging.

      At the same time Tic Tok represents a single vector for current or potential foreign propaganda and intelligence gathering targeting the American public. Opportunities to nip a single bud (so to speak) are few and far between and probably won’t be possible in the near future.

      TL;DR - The “sell or ban” is a short term measure that won’t take a lot of time, education is a long term measure that takes years.

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          And in any country if a person can’t figure out how to fill out a 1040EZ I don’t trust them to be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

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      I have to tell you, I know many intelligent people that have succumbed to propaganda, and outrage porn addiction. I see it continue to happen on all sides of the political isle. (This isn’t a both sides kind of statement, simply acknowledgement that the same tactics work on our brain, indifferent of political ideology.)

      Whether they are hooked on the dopamine rush of rage baiting up votes, likes or comments; or only seeing everything in the world through a myopic lens of negativity, it has captured many of my friends and family, including myself for a time.

      For some their drug is Fox News, others it’s Reddit, Facebook or TikTok, the results are often the same.

      I have yet to figure out a manner in which to communicate with individuals who spend considerable amounts of time in echo chambers, constantly having their personal beliefs reinforced. Evasion of cognitive dissonance and social conflict are very powerful psychological motivations. I wish I knew the solution.

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      And yet China is banning basically the whole Western internet, foreign companies must enter joint ventures with Chinese companies under government control. Reciprocity is fair. Why should Byte Dance be allowed to take in billions to fund Chinese gulags?

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        As someone who’s neither chinese nor america I want nothing more than these countries to keep their hands to themselves. I don’t like China doing it, and I don’t want the US doing it because China does it. Are y’all gonna hand a piece of your companies to every country they operate in? I’m guessing “no”.

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    It’s not even about propaganda it’s not having it until their thumb, they can’t push a button and ensure the top video under trans on every search is Matt Walsh, and yeah on all other major platforms if you search trans people critical of trans people pop up. The reasoning isn’t popularity or engagement, the US government has ordered them to do it through backroom tax deals and Slapp orders. Next stop for the US gov is gonna be the fediverse and AT proto, they are gonna argue that not just anyone should be trusted and that running a social media server is a big task. security blah blah children, protecting your data. Than lass a bill require you to obtain an FCC license to host your own social media site. It only gets worse from here folks

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    So damned retarded that bills can just be attached to completely unconnected things like this. Why should Banning tik tok be tied in to foreign aid? There’s too much wheeling and dealing going on to get things passed or rejected in this country. Then, if you voted yes on the “burn a dozen car tires” bill that was earmarked with the “ban private jets and leaded fuel” bill, your opponents will slander you out with adverts that you voted “yes” to burning car tires and you hate the environment.

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      You could argue that the perceptions of TikTok as a CCP tool of propaganda is an indirect foreign aid to Taiwan

      God knows how much Russia tries to use social media to turn sentiments against Ukraine

      Ultimately I think short form content encouraging platforms at large need to go down anyways so sucker punching the current biggest offender is right by me!

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        Short form content platforms aren’t going anywhere, Instagram Reels and YouTube shorts are just a carbon copy of tiktok. No problems with them, of course, because they’re American.

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          I was against banning TikTok despite never having even used it. I still think the fact that’s it’s CCP controlled is a valid point so I get why this doesn’t affect reels or shorts but I still think it’s naive to ignore them. They’re bad for mental health and political division the exact same way TikTok is and just like TikTok there are foreign countries using them for propaganda purposes just aswell.

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          If only TikTok were paying ALEC and using their cycle-of-rage algorithm to drive gamers to Ben Shapiro. Gotta pay protection money to the mob if you want a business in this neighborhood.