Yes, real men, real women, real people of any or no gender, and of all ages, wear diapers. That is not something anyone should be shamed or ridiculed for.
I don’t give a shit if trump or his supporters wear them, they are out there causing actual harm to others, and there is plenty to actually criticise them for, why the fuck resort to this ableist bullshit? We rightfully give them shit for judging others by what’s in their pants, yet gleefully judge them for what they wear under theirs?
It would be much better if the hypocrisy was pointed out in the article. Republicans are responsible for repeatedly taking away protections and supports for the most vulnerable in our society. And most of their voters don’t know or don’t care as long as they’re hurting the right people. This wearing of diapers is a mockery of support for people with disabilities.
The problem is - they don’t give a fuck about the hypocrisy, so all that’s left is the ableism, from both those who regularly harm disabled people ignorantly using diapers to make whatever statement, and those mocking them for wearing them (and no one is going to ask them each individually about their medical needs, so you can never actually know if it is legitimate use or not). The impact remains - adults wearing diapers are the punch line, deepening an already existing and harmful stigma, for no other reason than a cheap and ableist laugh.
I’m sorry you got downvoted because you are calling out a cruel stigma. You are very right and people who suffer from incontinence should not be laughed at. We must offer more dignity and compassion to people.
We’re not the ones resorting to this ableist bullshit, they are. They are the ones wearing diapers and making a mockery out of it. We criticize them for making a mockery out of it simply to emulated someone that makes a mockery out of everything. Do we need to remind everyone of Trump mocking a disabled person on live TV?
Yes, I agree, fuck that noise. But we’re not the ones making that noise.
It was shared for the sole purpose of ridicule. Have you seen some of these fucking comments?? How about instead of getting defensive (and invoking his mockery of disabled people in your defence of… mocking disabled people, who you may not intend to mock, but who you do when you ridicule and stigmatise things they use), just, you know, don’t make fun of medical aids and people who use them, and attack fascists on the grounds of their fucking fascism instead???
I’ve seen the comments, and yes some are low effort ridicule about wearing a diaper. But the majority are ridiculing these people for making a mockery out of wearing a diaper. That’s the difference. There are going to be elements in every group that punch down, but the Trump fans are made up entirely of that element. That’s why they are making a mockery of wearing a diaper in the first place.
Instead of getting defensive, try taking a step back and look at what people are actually doing rather than focusing on the few bad examples and lecturing all of us about being ableist.
Howard Stern took a shit in a diaper on air(or pretended to). I can and will mock him for this. Not because he wore a diaper, but because he wore a diaper when not necessary and made a spectacle of himself.
Donald Trump mocks people for their age even if they’re still able to ride a bike, when he won’t or can’t walk a couple hundred feet with a bunch of other political leaders, while he’s incontinent and his opponent isn’t. I can and will mock him for wearing a diaper, not because it’s ableist, but because he’s a hypocrite and deserves to be called out for it.
I will mock his followers for wearing diapers, again, not because I’m ableist, but because they’re using medical devices when they don’t need to, both making a spectacle of themselves and supporting a hypocrite who makes fun of disabled people. They are deserving of criticism not only for what and who they support, but also how they show that support.
You are absolutely correct. The stupidity here, though, is that word got out that Trump uses them, and that has caused a lot of his supporters to start wearing them, whether they need to or not.
And so our alternative is…? To ignore this rather quaint sociological phenomenon? To let it pass by, unremarked-upon? Is that how we make increments of improvement to our behavior and culture? What’s the take away? What’s the lesson here for us? How do we be better people when our opponents are literally caricatures of cartoon villains, who, every week, add another hilarious stereotype to their gestalt.
Remember: you’re talking to, and about, the species that is currently exporting a record number of voyeuristic reality shows that sell “engineered awkwardness” because sex doesn’t sell by itself anymore.
I don’t think it’s the wearing of nappies that is worthy of ridicule. You are right, it’s a medical question, people who need it should wear it, and everybody else should just stfu about it.
(Except perhaps in the odd case when medical conditions do come into question while assessing the fitness of a candidate to an office, especially such a high stakes and demanding one as the potus, but that’s by the by).
What is chilling is the followers of Trump who try to make a virtue out of it. And ridiculous. Laughing at them is the right response because the other option is utter despair.
Nominally, I agree. Trump and his die-hard supporters are the exception.
I understand that there will be splash damage. I regret that there is splash damage. But the fact remains that the objective is to sap support from his base, and from people who are (somehow) on the fence about him. That can be done by sharing these unflattering facts about him.
I get that it’s offensive. Again, I regret that the tactic has become necessary; but it HAS become necessary. This is a “pull out all the stops” situation. If it stops that fascist fuck from winning, I’m willing to live with being labeled as “intolerant” because I used his own tactics against him. I’m not reveling in this, or joyously clowning on those less fortunate than me. There is a specific reason why I’m willing to cross that line, and it’s “we might not have small-d democracy anymore if he wins”.
Yes, real men, real women, real people of any or no gender, and of all ages, wear diapers. That is not something anyone should be shamed or ridiculed for.
I don’t give a shit if trump or his supporters wear them, they are out there causing actual harm to others, and there is plenty to actually criticise them for, why the fuck resort to this ableist bullshit? We rightfully give them shit for judging others by what’s in their pants, yet gleefully judge them for what they wear under theirs?
Fuck this noise.
It would be much better if the hypocrisy was pointed out in the article. Republicans are responsible for repeatedly taking away protections and supports for the most vulnerable in our society. And most of their voters don’t know or don’t care as long as they’re hurting the right people. This wearing of diapers is a mockery of support for people with disabilities.
The problem is - they don’t give a fuck about the hypocrisy, so all that’s left is the ableism, from both those who regularly harm disabled people ignorantly using diapers to make whatever statement, and those mocking them for wearing them (and no one is going to ask them each individually about their medical needs, so you can never actually know if it is legitimate use or not). The impact remains - adults wearing diapers are the punch line, deepening an already existing and harmful stigma, for no other reason than a cheap and ableist laugh.
I’m sorry you got downvoted because you are calling out a cruel stigma. You are very right and people who suffer from incontinence should not be laughed at. We must offer more dignity and compassion to people.
We’re not the ones resorting to this ableist bullshit, they are. They are the ones wearing diapers and making a mockery out of it. We criticize them for making a mockery out of it simply to emulated someone that makes a mockery out of everything. Do we need to remind everyone of Trump mocking a disabled person on live TV?
Yes, I agree, fuck that noise. But we’re not the ones making that noise.
It was shared for the sole purpose of ridicule. Have you seen some of these fucking comments?? How about instead of getting defensive (and invoking his mockery of disabled people in your defence of… mocking disabled people, who you may not intend to mock, but who you do when you ridicule and stigmatise things they use), just, you know, don’t make fun of medical aids and people who use them, and attack fascists on the grounds of their fucking fascism instead???
I’ve seen the comments, and yes some are low effort ridicule about wearing a diaper. But the majority are ridiculing these people for making a mockery out of wearing a diaper. That’s the difference. There are going to be elements in every group that punch down, but the Trump fans are made up entirely of that element. That’s why they are making a mockery of wearing a diaper in the first place.
Instead of getting defensive, try taking a step back and look at what people are actually doing rather than focusing on the few bad examples and lecturing all of us about being ableist.
Howard Stern took a shit in a diaper on air(or pretended to). I can and will mock him for this. Not because he wore a diaper, but because he wore a diaper when not necessary and made a spectacle of himself.
Donald Trump mocks people for their age even if they’re still able to ride a bike, when he won’t or can’t walk a couple hundred feet with a bunch of other political leaders, while he’s incontinent and his opponent isn’t. I can and will mock him for wearing a diaper, not because it’s ableist, but because he’s a hypocrite and deserves to be called out for it.
I will mock his followers for wearing diapers, again, not because I’m ableist, but because they’re using medical devices when they don’t need to, both making a spectacle of themselves and supporting a hypocrite who makes fun of disabled people. They are deserving of criticism not only for what and who they support, but also how they show that support.
You are absolutely correct. The stupidity here, though, is that word got out that Trump uses them, and that has caused a lot of his supporters to start wearing them, whether they need to or not.
I guess I’m going to hell for laughing at this.
That doesn’t change the impact of participating in and perpetuating this circus.
And so our alternative is…? To ignore this rather quaint sociological phenomenon? To let it pass by, unremarked-upon? Is that how we make increments of improvement to our behavior and culture? What’s the take away? What’s the lesson here for us? How do we be better people when our opponents are literally caricatures of cartoon villains, who, every week, add another hilarious stereotype to their gestalt.
Remember: you’re talking to, and about, the species that is currently exporting a record number of voyeuristic reality shows that sell “engineered awkwardness” because sex doesn’t sell by itself anymore.
How do you un-fuck this up?
Fair enough.
I don’t think it’s the wearing of nappies that is worthy of ridicule. You are right, it’s a medical question, people who need it should wear it, and everybody else should just stfu about it. (Except perhaps in the odd case when medical conditions do come into question while assessing the fitness of a candidate to an office, especially such a high stakes and demanding one as the potus, but that’s by the by).
What is chilling is the followers of Trump who try to make a virtue out of it. And ridiculous. Laughing at them is the right response because the other option is utter despair.
Nominally, I agree. Trump and his die-hard supporters are the exception.
I understand that there will be splash damage. I regret that there is splash damage. But the fact remains that the objective is to sap support from his base, and from people who are (somehow) on the fence about him. That can be done by sharing these unflattering facts about him.
I get that it’s offensive. Again, I regret that the tactic has become necessary; but it HAS become necessary. This is a “pull out all the stops” situation. If it stops that fascist fuck from winning, I’m willing to live with being labeled as “intolerant” because I used his own tactics against him. I’m not reveling in this, or joyously clowning on those less fortunate than me. There is a specific reason why I’m willing to cross that line, and it’s “we might not have small-d democracy anymore if he wins”.
Heh heh heh heh. Splash damage.