Ickplant I feel bad for you. You keep trying to make wholesome posts but you end inadvertently triggering discourse. First pit bull discourse and now hijab discourse.
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An incredibly moving moment that this person will never forget. 💜
Seriously…. Who downvotes this??? Such a wholesome share!
Transphobic people.
No. People who don’t think sexist religious conservative values should be applauded. This is basically orphan crushing machine material
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So you’re saying this post is bad because the focus is entirely on the positive interaction, and nobody is screaming the fact that one of the people in the story wears a hijab and going out of their way to slam Islam over it? 🤨
In the same way that posts about kids donating their money to pay off others kids school lunch debt, or charities paying for cancer patients care are bad because they focus on the positive to that specific person instead of the shitty situation that causes them to be in that position in the first place, yes
None of those examples are remotely close to the same situation here. 🤦♂️
They’re basically exactly the same. Someone being generous about something that shouldn’t have been an issue in the first place.
Liberal value = giving women the choice to decide whether or not they want to wear religious dress.
Anti-liberal value = removing that choice from them.
It’s pretty straightforward. Freedom of choice has always been the liberal way.
No one’s talking about removing choice. But not all choices are equally valid. And many choices are coerced due to religious patriarchal structures which are not actually true choices
Yeah. Accept Muslims and support their rights. But fuck the hijab. No one should wear that sexist trash.
Nothing speaks for women rights like banning and harassing women who want to wear a peace of clothing.
If you actually talked with hijabi women you would know that most of them choose to wear hijab and are very much not opressed. But the white liberal understands solidarity through white supremacy where he knows what is better for everyone else.
Imagine saying “support Jews ans their rights but fuck the kosha rules. No one should be kept from eating pork.”
If you really want to support Muslims and their rights, then talk with them and don’t let white supremacist propaganda shape your idea of what you want to support.
There isn’t much analogy with kosher practices. Do you know the explicit religious purpose of the hijab? It’s to maintain one’s modesty so as not to tempt men. Fuck that. Men are responsible for their own behavior. The religious purpose of the hijab is straightforward victim-blaming sexism. I won’t support a conservative, backward, oppressive practice just because it’s done by a member of a persecuted religious minority. That’s not white supremacism, that’s a basic commitment to progressive values.
I’m not saying we should ban it. In a free society people should be able to wear what they want. But we absolutely should not support it either.
You don’t have to support it. You just have to shut the fuck up about what other people choose to wear.
I did not know Jewish men are allowed to eat pork.
No, it isn’t.
You can upload literally anything on this site and it’ll be downvoted. Sometimes even for the content, usually just because creeps will go back through your history and downvote everything you’ve posted for a week or two.
I’m not worried about it, though.
Yep. It happens to me pretty much daily on an alt. And although I know who’s doing it- there’s not a mod willing to do anything about it.
Because it didn’t happen.
/r/NothingEverHappens 🙄
What’s the Lemmy version of /r/nothingeverhappens?
You were there? It’d go a long way were you to provide proof.
How is some meme forum relevant to who has the burden of proof?
How is a Wikipedia page relevant to a nice story someone shared?
You were there? It’d go a long way were you to provide proof.
The wiki page is a famous illustration of how it’s absurd to put the burden of proof on the people who are disapproving and it should always fall on people making the claim.
Lmao, Christian logic. PrOvE it dIDnT HaPpEN. 🤪
Who hurt you, and why is it our fault?
Despite your down votes I agree with you. I’m always conflicted about voting on something that appears to be clearly deceiving so usually I abstain from voting entirely but someone who cares more about this can easily justify a down-vote.
Fuck religion that even makes this gesture possible
Fuck people that want to tell women what not to wear. You are doing the same like those forcing a hijab.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
“Choose” is a very loaded word here. Yes, technically, they have a choice between wearing a hijab and an alternative, but what is that alternative? For someone in a conservative Muslim community, there is an extreme stigma against choosing not to wear a hijab, so it’s a choice between wearing one or being shunned. If it’s a theocratic country, it’s a choice between wearing one and death. Yes, technically a choice, but no more of a choice than being robbed at gunpoint and “choosing” to empty your pockets to not be shot in the head.
Choice under the threat of violence is no choice at all. Indistinguishable from authoritarian barbarism.
Most women choose to wear hijab and are defending the right to do so.
In democracies (and absence of family pressure) maybe, but in most of the world, I doubt it.
They’re supposed to mirror Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbut). She wore a hijab.
Shouldn’t the freedoms of women and education of men have evolved in 2000 years?
And you know that because you spoke with so many of these women, or you know that because you think being from a white western country entitles you to know best for everyone in the world?
Because I spoke with some of them, lived in different countries and my readings are not limited to information about my place of origin. What about you, do you come from a place that lets you know better about the world than mine, or your argument about having knowledge limited to your origin doesn’t apply to you?
How many non-muslimic women wear hijabs because they like to?
How would one even get the idea to wear a hijab at all if it weren’t for religion?
My grandmother would always wear a scarf covering her hair and she wasn’t religious.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_European_headscarf
Umm. Wut?
That’s not a hijab. Please stop.
That shows how ignorant you all are. Anything that covers the hair and neck is a hijab. You all delude yourself into believing it is some special kind of garnment or some special way it has to be put on. And that is because it has to fit your narrative of what you believe muslims are or how muslims life, with a lot of white supremacy sprinkled on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
In modern usage, hijab (Arabic: حجاب, romanized: ḥijāb, pronounced [ħɪˈdʒaːb]) generally refers to various head coverings conventionally worn by many Muslim women.[1][2] It is similar to the tichel or snood worn by Orthodox Jewish women, certain headcoverings worn by some Christian women, such as the mantilla, apostolnik and wimple,[3][4] and the dupatta worn by many Hindu and Sikh women.[5][6][7] Whilst a hijab can come in many forms, it often specifically refers to a scarf wrapped around the head, covering the hair, neck and ears but leaving the face visible.
Literally the first picture in the Wikipedia Article shows a women with her Hijab in a style that you could find women in eastern Europe to wear too.
You don’t need to speak to a slave to know slavery is wrong.
It’s impressive how you turned this to be my fault lmao. Fuck you man, I don’t decide what people want to wear. Go take a hike
Would they choose to wear a hijab if that religion did not exist? Looking at the rest of the world, the answer is a resounding “no.”
I imagine because in, “civilized” nations… women are just sexual objects. Watch the ads, the movies, the cartoons, the magazines… all industries pertaining to women are sexualized. You must do this, that, wear this, that in order to be acceptable.
I like how you wrote “civilized” as if I made some comment disparaging primarily Muslim nations. By “the rest of the world”, I simply meant those who aren’t pressured by their culture to wear head scarves.
Actually, I believe Muslim majority nations are more civilized than civilizations with Democracy. Democracy ultimately divides and creates disgruntled citizens. I quoted civilized in my initial comment as a sarcasm.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-ancient-traditions/veil-wearing-tradition-0017535
https://daily.jstor.org/the-power-of-the-veil-for-spanish-women/
I am sorry, but please educate yourself before making such nonsensical statements. Veiling has been a part of culture and religion outside of Islam for millennia. And if you look at the second source, you’ll see that veiling also has been a mean of liberation and that banning it is part of a long history of oppressing women
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has been
Enough said I guess.
Everyone can still wear a scarves on their heads. Believe it or not it’s not a new or exclusively religious article of clothing.
Any scarve that covers the hair is considered a hijab. There is no special scarve for a hijab and hijabs can take all shapes, colors and patterns.
Their purpose is not the same.
And who can judge about the purpose? And who has the right to judge about the purpose? And who has the right to arbitrarily forbid the one and embrace the other over his perception of the purpose?
It all boils down to white people, in particular white men thinking they are superior to muslim women and they get to decide what is best for them. That is deeply ingrained racism.
Funny how suddenly iranian women can become white people. Funny how suddenly turkish people can be white people. Just keep playing the victim.
I wonder what her Imam would say to that. I haven’t heard of a Muslim sect that accepts transgender people under their chosen gender. But maybe they are out there, if anyone knows of one I’d like to know more.
In Iran, gender reassignment is legal, and they’ll even change the birth certificate to match, from what I learned a decade ago.
Homosexuality, however, is a capital offense, so many gay people are pressured to transition.
Some conservative societies seem to have the attitude that it’s better to go from one role with rigid expectations to another than it is to fail to meet the expectations of your original role.
many gay people are pressured to transition
Made me imagine the awkward situation where two gay people transitioned to be able to legally find a match, and found each other.
Oh I see, I did not expect that. Thank you!
Not an expert but for one example you could read the story of Maryam Khatoon Molkara https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Khatoon_Molkara
Very interesting, thank you
That’s a beautiful story. Love it.
Love it!!!
😂😂😂😂
Things that didn’t happen for $100, Ryan.
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And everyone in the coffee shop stood up and applauded, i.e., this never happened.
What aspect of this story seems constructed or unbelievable to you?
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You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
nothing ever happens
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In your opinion, is someone going through a transition considered them putting themselves through a mental illness by choice?
If you would say these people already have a mental illness, and are just choosing the wrong solution for it, what do you mean by “mental illness should not be condoned?” How would someone go about solving their problem?
And their problem is what exactly?
Whatever mental or physical effects they are experiencing that they feel they need to alleviate. I also allowed for the idea that they falsely believe they have a mental illness.
Simply though, can you clarify your position on what is really happening and what people should be doing (or not doing)?
Ignorance is a mental illness, get help. Unless you’re just a bigot in which case find the nearest woodchipper and hop in!
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Nothing ever happens
Especially this reply right now that currently isn’t happening
I didn’t see nuthin’
Absolutely loving this comment-chain.
I can’t figure out which part of this story you doubt so I have to assume you’ve never met a trans person or a Muslim.
Probably that a Muslim can both be open to trans people and wear a hijab at the same time.
Tbh is much easier to reconcile than you’d think.
Stop destroying prejudices against Muslims! How can you show them to be self confident and intelligent people that don’t need a white savior to explain the world to them?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still very against conservative Muslims, as much as I am against conservative Christians, ultra-orthodox Jews etc…
But it’s clear that there’s nuance, so like one can be a Christian and also be accepting of gays and trans people, one can be the same while believing in Islam. The ones I can’t stand are those that use their preferred book to put themselves on a pedestal and be terrible to other people, but this trait is not limited to one specific religion, or even to religion itself.
So in other words, we are people like everyone else.
Right, so they’ve never met a Muslim person (or I guess only met the much more rare ultra conservative kind)
Half of my family is Muslim. I’m currently partnered with the trans alliance in my city to build their new housing co-op… I’m well versed in both sides of this and what’s stated above didn’t happen LoL. It’s a fairytale or as known in the Muslim community… teqqiyah.
Crazy how you want me to believe your story and not theirs
This isn’t too far fetched. I recently saw a video of a woman who is Muslim explaining why she personally wouldn’t take her hijab off in front of a trans woman. Which is the opposite of the op story
BUT… it’s obvious that figuring out how trans women fit into their religious beliefs would be a discussion among Muslim women. Just like Christianity, there are going to be different interpretations, person to person even, of what is ok and not. Seems to me like this would actually be a really easy way for a woman to show her support to a friend.
My op was removed LoL. I guess you’re not allowed to introduce reality into these fairytales. Half of my family is Muslim, this is absolutely a fairytale LMFAO.
You’re not happening.
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Imagine viewing a post from a “wholesome” community only to make sure everyone knew you rolled* your eyes.
If I can’t have solidarity no one can. The problem is you buddy.
