If two twin sisters who are both 18 years old and they both want to marry eachother I think legally they should be allowed to do it because what they’re doing isn’t hurting anybody.
If a brother and a sister who are both consenting adults and they both want to marry eachother I think legally they should be allow to do it as long as the brother gets a vasectomy so that they do not have any kids together. Because what they’re doing isn’t hurting anybody.
I agree that incest is weird and gross which is why I personally would never do that but I don’t think that it’s morally wrong as long its between siblings that are both consenting adults and they do not have any kids together because what they’re doing is completely harmless and isn’t hurting anybody. So they deserve to have the right the right to marry eachother if they want to just like everyone else that isn’t related to their spouse.
So I’m a male, fertile so far as I know. Suppose I walked into the county courthouse, hand in hand with my sexy sister and asked for a marriage license. Naturally, the clerk would say “GTFO you disgusting freaks. You’s brother and sister and we don’t need no more incest babies in this county.” If I came back the next day with my beautiful brother, the clerk, seeing that our union would produce no natural offspring, agrees that love is love and we just need to sign and notarize these forms.
The genetics defects argument isn’t even a valid argument because couples who are not related to each other can also have a child with massive birth defects.
There is a scientifically proven, significantly increased risk of a child born with severe complications when the offspring of two close relatives. These reproductive complications are less about harm to others and harm to the parents, which there is VERY likely to be trauma, it represents a rare moment where the child is the focus, even after birth.
This argument is the basis for so many of the discussions surrounding the controversy of abortions in too many States. So apart from a very real genetic predisposition to not go around and have more family with family, we as a larger society have decided that it is fundamentally wrong. This doesn’t even touch on why a Brother and Sister is having sexual relations since that is probably a whole book on its own.
Most people aren’t attracted to their family members. They may be able to recognize if their Aunt or Sister or Brother or whatever are attractive. They may even be attracted to them in some small degree. However, the move from small admiration or attraction to giving themselves a pass to follow thru on that attraction likely has its base elsewhere, which I won’t go into.
Anyway, my thumbs are tired.
Bruh… lower the tren dose or stop taking it altogether.
On the one hand, the first reaction is “ew, that’s gross”. On the other hand, that’s also the reason people try to ban gay marriages.
Logically speaking, as long as there’s no power imbalance and no chance of kids, I can’t think of a reason to ban incest. Especially for same sex couples.
In practice, incest is often done as a form of abuse of some kind. Too often for broad legal acceptance, in my opinion.
(Bio)logically when siblings breed their offspring come out genetically damaged most of the time. Nobody gets hurt when I sit in a dude’s lap.
Don’t forget to mention that what they are doing isn’t hurting anybody. :P
Joke aside, it’s an interesting point of view that, even if I don’t share, has the merit of questioning our societal taboos and their reason to exist.
It’s even more interesting when you consider the implications for religion which marriage comes from. If you believe that Adam and Eve were the only two human beings on earth, some serious (self) incest had to happen at some point for us to exist.
I’m arguing both sides here in different comments.
You’re right, logically it seems silly at first glance. The basis of nearly all our laws is “If harm to another, then some harm to you.” So if close relatives, a Brother and Sister in this example, were to be each other’s Prom Dates into the late evening, and no one knew they were related, do we actually hear that tree fall in that forest?
Probably not.
So thus they have harmed no one.
So why?
I think because collectively we have an innate understanding of who we are closely tied to by blood we base our laws off the majority rule. At a glance there is nothing wrong with the act. I’ll even argue it happens far more than we know, though also far from being common.
So then it becomes a question of culture. Laws exist as paths that guide a society. Without it the very significant number of people who could do something because they have a different moral code, but don’t because they want to follow the law, would then be free to act without restriction. Besides, as I said in another reply: It is less about others in this case and more about the two doing the act and the potential to bring in a child who should never have had anything to do with it in the first place.
Anyway, I’m interested to hear other arguments. No reason we can’t discuss either way. Though I doubt it’ll bring some great revelation.
I’m very much for the idea that if you are not causing harm to others, and it’s just something you choose to do with another consenting adult, go for it. However, that is not true for incest where a child can be produced, as there is demonstrable evidence that it will harm the child and any of that child’s children. So if there is no possibility of a child being produced then I honestly don’t give a shit what messy bits get shoved into each other in someone else’s house.
Hurts their disabled kids.
Of course incestuous relationships are common it’s just not shown in the public because of social stigma. If incest between a siblings who are both consenting adults was socially acceptable by society we would see alot more people proudly announcing to the world that they’re in an incestuous relationship with their sibling.
Why do you think incest between siblings is common?
Because people post about that on reddit.
Reddit has never accounted for a majority of people and, I’d argue, tended towards specific types or characteristics of individuals. With a smallish percentage of users being active enough to post a majority of content.
I don’t mean to be that person, though it may be worth your time to not rely on a single point of information to base opinions. It is up to you. Just know that I was fairly active for 12 years on Reddit so I do have some idea.
True but my guess is that there are also alot of people who are in an incestuous relationship with their siblings that are just keeping it a secret between them because of the social stigma.
I’m sure there are siblings and family members who act on these impulses. I do not feel it’s common. The most common amongst this rare situation would probably fall under actions done while under some influence, with hormones through the roof.
What you’re likely unwittingly basing your belief on are sexual taboos. Incest isn’t a popular(arguable) category of porn because of the incest itself, it’s popular because of the taboo and excitement that comes with committing an act you shouldn’t. Someone who has these desires is not an inherently bad person. Even acting on a consensual interest isn’t a bad thing. None of this is evil or malicious. What it is to me is an act that has an underlying reason for existing. And I’d make a bet that many of the people who seriously consider incest as okay have:
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Convinced themselves over time
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Have trauma in their past that could be tied to that belief
It’s even possible that this is in some form a Paraphilic Disorder. Whatever the reason, I urge all individuals who are victims of their own minds to seek help if they can. Most of us never realize the weights we carry until we are given permission to take that weight off.
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Your guess is wrong, and the exact same reasoning rapists and pedophiles use.
“There was an entire forum of baby rapists, so it must be common and therefore moral, people are just afraid of the social stigma”
You should see a psychiatrist, honestly. If there’s nothing wrong, then you can keep your incest-fetish, but if there is something wrong, surely you’d like to know about it?
Okay then I guess that I’m wrong about incest between siblings being common but I still don’t think it’s morally wrong as long as they’re both consenting adults and they do not have any kids together.
Pedophilia however is morally wrong because pre pubescent children don’t understand the long term social ramifications of sex which makes it impossible for them to truly be able to consent.
