cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.
Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
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The period after MS stopped messing with it and before software stopped supporting it was the nicest time to use Windows 7, I expect it to be the same for Windows 10.
At this point, I can use Linux for most things except older fangames, reliable printing (seriously, cups is pain), and some mmorpgs.
Once I get a month without the university shitting its pants and changing policy overnight, I’ll eat the learning curve and switch (actually learn to troubleshoot wine rather than relying on searches).
When I move, thinking mint with cinnamon because I love that desktop.
cups is pain
It’s hilarious because it was FAR easier for me to get printing going on my Linux machine than with W10. It’s an old printer, 1320n from HP, maybe 15 years old, but the damn thing is amazing for document printing, and I had to hunt for drivers and do a lot of compatibility shit to get my computer to recognize it. Arch (EndeavourOS) seemed to just natively recognize the printer and gave me zero fuss. When I was using Ubuntu, I used CUPS and it wasn’t terrible. I liked it better than driver fishing, for sure.
I have an ancient PC with a nice video card, and it plays games from about five years ago quite well I haven’t felt a need to upgrade. Unfortunately, I play a couple games with kernel level anti-cheat stuff and I don’t think they will work with linux.
They will not but that is not a linux’ fault, developer/owner/publisher made that choice.
What’s wild is that one of the people who write anti-cheat software was saying they needed to get their shit working on Linux like yesterday.
So I mean, it crazy that Windows is literally having some folks scramble on how to get their shit working on Steam/Linux.
Any guide on how to buy used laptops?
Buy what businesses buy in bulk (e.g. thinkpad x1)
Lucky I already upgraded OS to not include any Micro$hit.
I’ve heard you can pay to continue updates on Win10 for three years I believe it was.
Fu win11 with its abundance of spyware and ai bs
This one is particularly harsh since win11 has ridiculous artificial hard stops on installation based on made up hardware requirements. Also it sucks.
This also makes it easy to block Win 10 from upgrading to 11, just disable tpm in BIOS. From where I’m sitting, that’s kinda convenient.
I have a PC I built that was absolutely top of the line 9½ years ago, that still plays most games in high to max settings. It’s a little powerhouse for its age, I often use it for rendering video and it still smokes everybody I know 's devices.
Windows 11 is too powerful for my PC according to Microsoft and I’ve been so pleased about that. If it wasn’t for the fact that I have no issues with my current windows 10 setup, I’d put in some time to jump to Linux. I’m just too lazy to give it the weekend it would take to learn, set up and move my content over properly.
Well to my knowledge there are (or at least were) workarounds to get win 11 to install anyway. It of course worked fine, despite saying it needed a TPM and/or specific minimum CPU.
From an eWaste perspective Microsofts decision to force literally millions of PCs into fake obsolescence is obviously horrible. And I honestly have no idea what their motivation even was for this.
As for trying Linux, these days it really isn’t even a weekend. Sure if you want to tinker and learn, you can invest a weekend. But if you want to just use the PC just pick any of the commonly recommended distros and just go. It’s installed in minutes and you can honestly just use the PC for whatever you used to use it before. Just backup/move your data off it and you got nothing to lose but like an hour, if it really doesn’t work as you need it to.
Ok, but where will you be be sitting on Oct. 15th 2025?
Dunno yet, sounds like future me’s problem. Mist likely some version of Linux unless win 11 drastically changes course (unlikely).
I switched to Arch a month ago because of Microsoft forceful integration of their shit AI tools into 11. Easy switch.
So that is what it means, people wont support w10 anymore after oct 2025?
I built a new PC last year and installed Windows 11. I honestly have no issues with jt and it runs fine. However the shitty practices of current Microsoft have started appearing and ground my gears. So much so that I got a second drive and installed Mint. It’s not been easy adjusting and I often find myself booting into Windows for one reason or another but I spend the majority of my time now in Linux. I got a bit bored of Mint. I’m a sucker for new things so I moved to Arch. After installing a few packages I’m actually pretty happy with it. Proton has been the key for my move. Without it I simply wouldn’t be able to use Linux.
Outside of Windows, moving away from Chrome, GMail and Google search it’s a breath of fresh air. I don’t feel like I’m constantly being tracked now and having products thrown in my face. I miss the old internet where harvesting everyone’s data wasn’t a thing.
I’ve decided I’m gonna have one crapbox prebuilt just for the windows things and nothing important or personal, but my work laptop and pc will most certainly not be windows going forward. I have a lot to learn but I’m over it with the ads and the privacy stuff is a genuine concern for work related items.
I’m gonna have one crapbox prebuilt just for the windows things
I did that too. For older games.
Then I went ahead and installed Linux on that one too.unfortunately the games I like to play require bare-metal windows and a beefy gpu.
Which ones?
Are you sure? You checked them on ProtonDB or you checked them on your hardware?
I have just bought a modern AMD gpu (rx 7700xt) and now I am very surprised how almost every game works on Linux (I miss you rainbow six siedge, but I know it’s the developer’s fault who just chose not to enable anticheat support on Linux 🥲). Before I had Radeon R9 380 so it was quite old at this point but performance wise it wasn’t really as bad but I noticed that performance on Linux compared to Windows was trash or games even didn’t work at all. Now I guess it was due to how old and unsupported my old gpu was. Now everything just works and I’m shocked. Hardware is unfortunately important on Linux 😭. It doesn’t need to be beefy but it needs to be somehow modern.
If memory serves me, they usually do 5 years of extended support after they retire an os, so, I’m just going to wait and see.
Supposedly they’re not doing that this time. That’s part of the reason people are making a big deal out of it.
Controversial Take:
Windows 11 is actually decent
The major problems isn’t Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.
The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.
If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.
You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.
There’s no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.
Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.
Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?
I’m not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they’re accepting.
Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.
The other one mentioned was the start menu ads. Those can also be turned off with a simple toggle in the settings. Finding this was as simple as Googling “turn off windows start menu ads”, it was the top result.
Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?
Yes. Because Windows is used by a lot of big giant corporations that would sue the hell out of Microsoft if it wasn’t possible to disable those features.
Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?
“Oh it’s not that bad!” You’ll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn’t THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.
But this really isn’t a registry key or tool, though. Did you click my link? It’s a simple on/off toggle in the system settings menu. You just open the settings and click “off.” I don’t see how much simpler they could make it.
You need to consider the bigger picture. Not this specific thing.
I haven’t had to edit the registry in as long as I can remember. Not just for this specific thing. What stuff are you talking about?
Do you trust that its off? Or just off for You?
I trust that Microsoft fears the lawsuits that would ensue if they were caught lying about it, and that they wouldn’t derive any significant benefit from lying about it. Why would they?
give us 3 reasons why
- Stable
- Lots of features
- Very widespread support
The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.
I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I’ll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.
Whereas I use Windows 11 on all of my machines, including one I use for my job as a programmer and regularly put through the wringer, and I don’t actually know what the Windows 11 version of the blue screen of death looks like because I have never crashed the OS. I can’t recall the last time I saw a bug like what you’re describing, either. So I don’t know what you’re doing wrong with your Windows 11 install, but it seems I’ve somehow avoided it without particularly trying.
Time to learn Linux!
The steam deck is walking so we can run.
Its the Data harvesting that’s irking me. Not that data harvesting is new; but that i have a dreadful sense of M$’ “AI” scheming just crosses a rubicon of data harvesting.
I’m backing away slowly. Dont care what games or executables i wont be able to run. Get ready for the accusations that im the “radical arch-loving myopic lemmy elite”: it’s finally time to run *nix as host.
Soon, you’ll be saying “i use arch btw”. It’s only a matter of time. >:D
