• Grayox@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Reminds me of my thoughts after reading “Why Buddhism is True” by Robert Wright. If you haven’t read it before I highly recommend it.

  • Adderbox76@lemmy.caEnglish
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    5 months ago

    I don’t think that’s an “if” at all. I firmly believe that that’s exactly it.

    The same behaviours that we needed to evolve are harmful now that we’ve reached a potential “post-scarcity” stage.

    To put it more bluntly, the drive to compete for resources in order to survive is what made us the dominant species. Now that post-scarcity is essentially upon us, our nature is to create artificial scarcity in order to satiate that drive for competition. And it will be the ultimate end of us.

    • Weslee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      In the grand scale of the universe we aren’t even a blip, any “permanent” damage we cause will be reversed over hundreds of thousands or millions of years after we’ve wiped ourselves out.

      And even if there was some kind of damage that couldn’t be reversed, the next cycle of life would just adapt to whatever the issue is

      • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        I mean the earth has already survived having the first moon crash into it, as well as a giant meteor that caused an ice age. We have t quite gotten to that level, yet.

      • Alto@kbin.social
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        5 months ago

        It’s something people don’t realize. We may be a scourge on the Earth, but we’re still nowhere even near the top of the list of worst things to happen to this planet.

        As the other reply brought up, Theia crashing into Earth. Flood basalt events. The Chicxulub impact.

        We may be able to cause some real awful shit, but we still are nothing compared to what the forces of nature can produce. And just to clarify, I’m not saying this to in any way downplay the seriousness of climate change, or that we should do nothing about it.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Been seeing a lot of “mass extinctions are fine, earth will recover” bullshit lately, it’s making me suspicious that this is the next big oil psyop.

        • Weslee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Oh yeah it’s all good, I just talked about millions of years of recovery and the extinction of humans, but yeah I’m a shill for big oil.

          What are you smoking? I want some

          • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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            5 months ago

            I’ve seen it a lot recently.

            Person 1: nature will recover, but humanity will go extinct.

            Person 2: actually, humanity won’t go extinct [list of information about humanity’s resiliency]

            Person 1 (or 3rd party reading): oh cool, not that big a deal then

            Lost in this discussion: mass extinctions bad

  • Gigan@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I think the evolution of multicellular life is most likely to be the great filter, since it took the longest to develop on earth.

  • sbr32@kbin.social
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    5 months ago

    I don’t know if this theory has a proper name but I have seen it multiple times.

    If a species has the ability to push their technology to the point they could become a space faring species, that technology will destroy the civilization before it can get there

    • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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      5 months ago

      It may depend on the rate they get to that point. Add in a dense energy source that’s suddenly available and the rise of tech may be lethal. Perhaps the lucky ones don’t have something like petroleum so their species matures long before they ruin their world.

      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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        5 months ago

        Back up…dude with a 10th grade level understanding of biology and chemistry coming through with a question…

        So carbon-based life forms can, under the right circumstances, decompose into long chains of hydrocarbons like Petroleum.

        Does that mean silicon-based life forms under the right circumstances would break down into hydrosilicates like caulk?

    • AA5B@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Think of Star Trek as an analogy.

      • The Archers, Pikes, Kirks succeeded by being bold and daring, confronting dangers, fighting to survive. The Siskos and Burnhams instigated war on a galactic scale. They were violent, reactive, risk takers
      • a couple centuries later, the Picards confronted greater obstacles but with reason, compassion, self-sacrifice. If Kirk had faced Q, that would have been the great filter, but Picard succeeded as a human evolved past his violent reactions
      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        I’ve never watched Star Trek.

        I know, heresy for lemmy.

        I also use windows and not linux (though I plan on switching when I get time to learn linux)

  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I mean there are multiple proposed filters.

    Suppose yours is correct. What is this humanity’s nature you speak of?

    Bravery? Foolishness? Wisdom? Violence? Greed?

    What what of those attributes haven’t we already overcome time and again?

    It’s much more probable that everyone out there is attentively listening to signals instead of radically changing their own mental processes. Or not

  • foggy@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Then the DNA brick wall we’ve been climbing is exactly that.

    You’ve reminded me of some of my favorite hip hop lyrics of all time. If you never heard Eyedea before he died (27 club, I think?), Eyedea had Eminem level potential. Fucking incredible lyricist. If this tickles your fancy, go peep the album First Born.

    Eyedea & Abilities - Man vs Ape

    Move!

    There’s no telling what I’ma do

    I’m eighty-thousand years of natural selection comin through

    You ain’t got as much aggression, possessions, weapons

    I’ll be damned if I get outdone by the next man

    If you’re beliefs are different than mine, then we gonna fight

    **Who needs peace when you can profit from being right? ** I hold picket signs outside abortion clinic doors

    Take what I want with force

    And my God could kill yours

    .

    Involved with a species evolving so slowly

    Genetically infantile, violent and holy

    We think we’re so smart but there’s not much to know

    Caveman is still alive behind those robot eyes

    Fully controlled by ten thousand year old instincts

    Hands on the war button, flinch and your world’s extinct

    This is technology for the barbarian

    I see the future: the past, we’ll be there again

    .

    Remember, the atom bomb came from the same place as poetry

    .

    Die dirty hippy commie scum, Christian, Muslim Buddhist, Jew

    Democrat, factory-workin, college student you…

    My nervous system don’t take no bullshit

    Been dominating since the day I touched the monolith

    I only breed with sex-symbol worthy women

    They stay at home and cook while I go out a make a living

    Don’t challenge my ego, don’t step on my shoe

    Otherwise the next wake that you attend might be for you

    .

    Grindin’ my teeth as I’m battling uphill

    **The fight against ape-hood is fate versus free will ** We think we’re advanced but there’s nowhere to go

    Mammals stay captive to animal actions

    So slowly we climb up this DNA brick wall

    Addicted to emptiness, anger and pitfalls

    Desire for space, territory, or lust

    We’ll eventually turn this whole planet to dust

    .

    There can be no peace when man is still a part of it

    .

    Purpose, perseverance, wordless amoeba surface

    To lead the first coherent paleolithic circus

    Specific neuro-circuits link man and Neanderthal

    However, recent bio-chemical imprints

    conflict with primitive urges

    It’s full blown ontological warfare

    Murdering memories in the future two million years

    Peace is a word we often say,

    But it can’t exist as long as the ape is here to stay