• realitista@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    This just in, Trump announces he supports a full Israeli annexation of the West Bank.

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      5 months ago

      That was announced with the old peace deal he proposed during his presidency, which fell through

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    5 months ago

    i love it when these people get their names exposed in the media. i might not have even known who she was. now we can put her on a list. did you put her on a list? you should.

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      5 months ago

      Ah yes, here you are again turning a Trump article into a Biden hit piece in the comments.

      You really need another hobby.

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        Yes, the one that has said for 50 years he will always support Israel no matter what…

        Like,remember when he had that falsified report claiming no evidence American weapons had been used in the genocide?

        He said that was why he could keep providing munitions…

        Then there was an indisputable evidence of American munitions used in Raffah…

        And he’s done…

        What exactly?

        Besides continuing to break US and international law by providing munitions used in a genocide.

        Biden can draw asany lines as he wants, Bibi seems to enjoy leaping over them immediately. And it’s not like Biden has anything else he could be doing

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          The Biden who had nothing to do with this article but your felt the need to being up just to shit on anyway?

          We all get it dude, you hate Biden. You can stop mentioning it in every fucking thread.

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          Did you read about the Trump peace deal (organized via his kids!), which would require only Palestinians to make concessions, giving up land, giving up freedoms, being subject Israel’s security forces, giving them no rights, and which gave all power to Israel (and which obviously fell through)?

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            Biden has helped clear away 115 sq miles of Gaza land for Trumps kids. Its fucking insane how groups if people will overlook whats actually happening and be terrified of what might happen,

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              Have you seen Trump’s history of actions? It’s not what “might” happen, it’s a certainty he’ll make it worse

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                Yes, and I’ve also seen Biden’s history of actions, evidence that neither one of them represents the working class.

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                  Biden who canceled tons of student debt and supported unions, not supporting the working class?

                  Do you favor the Trump who supported companies above unionizing workers?

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            5 months ago

            Yes…

            It’s bad when trump supports a genocidal regime…

            It’s bad when Biden supports a genocidal regime…

            Now, here’s the big one. Get up and stretch, take a nice long deep breathe.

            Ready?

            It’s bad when literally fucking anyone supports a genocidal regime.

            Here’s another big one:

            If you excuse Dems for doing something because trump does it too, then if you don’t slow down and look around, you’re going to be supporting someone just like trump, because republicans found some asshole even worse.

            Republicans won’t magically get better

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              I don’t excuse the dems, but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

              Netanyahu would not be angry at Biden for his demands if Biden was fine with everything they do.

              Netanyahu would not prefer to have Trump back if the two were equal.

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                but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

                No I don’t, because he obviously is.

                It’s just neither of them are good enough to be president.

                Like,you know there’s not really a valid reason to run unpopular neoliberals just because trump is in office right?

                We could just runnwhat Dems historically do very very well with:

                A young charismatic person running a progressive campaign.

                There is literally no reason to be running someone the majority of registered Dem voters don’t want to be president, just because they don’t want the Republican.

                How does that system make any logical sense?

                How will shit ever improve?

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                  Ok, then tell me who that candidate is who can win instead of Biden.

                  I’m waiting.

                  I am not super fond of Biden, and wouldn’t mind seeing him replaced. But my top priority is harm reduction, and switching to a candidate who can’t beat Trump would send USA into turmoil

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        We are talking about the biden that is only talking peace deal to save his election. We all know he wont follow through with it and Israel has already said they dont approve.

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    She’s from Israel, she’s 78 and she’s got his (American, not relevant) husband’s money. She already supported Trump, who gave her some medal once elected.
    Bye bye Miriam, despite your (husband’s) money, you will be forgotten

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      She’s literally Israeli. I’d call it more than just a single issue for her.

      This is the modern day equivalent of Western Expansion for genocidal Americans during the 19th century. You’re talking about a host of issues - Zionist white nationalism, Lebensraum, oil field development, and war time economics - bundled into a discrete set of buzzwords. There’s so much ideology and so much money packed into the idea of a Greater Israel spilling like bucket of spoiled milk across the Levant.

      This is manifest destiny for neoconservatives. Its at the center of the Project for the New American Century. Israel is the beating heart of American Imperialism. Its the fulcrum by which Washington and Wall Street hope to turn the world.

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      Well step 1 is wage slaves need to stop worshipping these clowns. Won’t solve the issue but ateast reduce their ability to sway public opinion.

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        It will go down as one of Republicans most favorite rulings and also the worst ruling the scotus has made… (Insert homer and Bart meme: worst so far.)

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        It’s called a plutocracy … a system built on power and those who hold power.

        Whatever it is … it isn’t a democracy.

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        It’s not. At the end of the day, their vote is still just one of many.

        Fucking vote. Get your friends to vote. Volunteer for a campaign. There are a ton of liberal groups that call people or knock on doors to get out the vote.

        The only thing she has is money which hires… people to get out the vote. Commercials, endorsements, etc. none of that was enough to get Hillary elected. GOTV is what works. Fucking do it.

      • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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        When people talk about the illegitimacy of democracy under capitalism, this scarecrow and her late husband are why.

        How can democracy co-exist in an economic system where orgs are run like dictatorships from the top down, and individuals hold more wealth, power, and influence than entire nation states — despite those orgs employing, and being dependent on, thousands or millions of workers?

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    I’m no anthropologist or anything, but I’m pretty sure the annexation of the West Bank would guarantee a permanent guerilla terrorist force operating within Israel’s borders for the foreseeable future. Israel would never know peace. In 200 years they’ll probably still trying to snuff out terrorist cells constantly killing civilians.

    Just with this war they have created thousands of fresh new volunteers for Hamas both within and outside the general area of the conflict.

    The way out of this is more empathy for the Palestinians, not less.

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      5 months ago

      Not if you push out the people living there, which has been how Israel has historically done it.

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      To be completely fair there is no way out of this.

      Both sides will accept nothing but the COMPLETE destruction of the other side.

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        I’m guessing that’s because no adequate partition of a continuous extension of territory with an equitable distribution of viable habitable construction space and access to resources and the Mediterranean has not been made yet since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

        I can assure you even the most militant, radicalized Hamas members would leap at such proposal with smiles on their faces. Even if it benefited slighly Israel more, they’d still do it, no problem.

        Do you truly believe any proposals so far have been in any way, shape or form even approximately fair in the same measure for both parties ?

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          Of course not, Israel wants the rest of their ancient land. And the Arabs in the area want them gone completely.

          Anyone that claims differently is being disingenuous, or out right lying.

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            Yeah maybe it started out that way for sure, but after so much death people on both sides are starting to consider other options. You can see that in Israel right now, people who are rejecting this narrative of either us or them. Maybe the crazies will always think this way, but over time people will be willing to make concessions. After all what good is it to rule a pile of rubble constantly under attack ?

            A half promised land at peace is better than an entire promised land constantly in war economy. It’s not only quality of life we’re talking about. The entirety of the Jewish people is being blemished and shamed by the current actions of Israel.

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        No? Israel is and has always been the deciding factor in whatever happens with Palestine. They refused a legitimate 2 state solution, continuously have stolen land from the west bank and Gaza, and are openly genocidal towards Palestinians?

        How can you both sides this in a comment thread under an article about a zionist literally trying to pay off an American politician to support the Israeli government in committing crimes against humanity?

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          Hamas will militantly decline any peace offer that doesn’t include their holy sites.

          It’s a no win situation. This war will continue long after everyone here is dead.

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          Bullshit, if you think Hamas would have kept the peace on any level. Or the terrorists that pre-dated Hamas…

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            “Would have”

            Cool, but I don’t care about this weird hypothetical world you’re talking about that we do not live in and have never lived in. The Israeli state is an extension of the US military. The US military is in no way threatened by what a group of disenfranchised Muslim extremists can cobble together. It’s never even been close, not in 1949 and not for one second since then. They are essentially prisoners of the state. They are disenfranchised, they do not have access to land to till and raise animals in. They do not have freedom of movement. The water they have is controlled by Israel, the electricity they have is controlled by Israel, the medical supplies they have are controlled by Israel. The strip is an open air enclave. The west bank is and has been slowly being annexed by Israel (crime against humanity) over the last 60 years.

            You’re talking about a population of 2 million people with 1 struggling to operate hospital. Who have been mass murdered thousands of times over the last 100 years by the IDF and Israeli state. This road does not go both ways and it never has. They literally mowed starving Palestinian men women children and elderly down with machine guns. People following a truck carrying flour because they are desperate for food. There are children starving to death in hospitals. We have people who need medications to survive dying because the IDF and the Israeli state and the zionists are doing everything they possibly can to prevent them for getting those things.

            It’s time for you to open your fucking eyes. You’re trying to both sides a genocide, equating the genociders with the victims.

            You referred to “Arabs in the area” in another comment of yours too, equating hamas with all Muslim people in the middle east. Ask yourself why you’re generalizing a population of hundreds of millions of people and claiming they are all genocidally antisemitic.

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      You’re basically describing the situation we’ve been in since the Nahkba in 1948.