• Dagwood222@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 month ago

    I worked in Manhattan and had coworkers who lived in Pennsylvania. Two hours each way. A story I heard was that a bus company recruited drivers who would get up at 4am, pick up passengers, drive to the city, and then go to another job. 6 pm they get in the bush and drive home.

    • KevonLooney@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 month ago

      That doesn’t make much sense. What happened to the bus in the middle of the day?

      Parking in Downtown Manhattan can be rented out for $30 - $50 per hour, maybe $80 all day. And that’s a car-sized space. Since a bus is two or three of those, it would make no sense to just waste $240+ on an unused bus.

      • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 month ago

        Before Hudson Yards went up that space was mostly empty. I’ve also seen lines of buses parked under the FDR downtown.

    • HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 month ago

      I hope immigrants sneak in and move your house a few inches further from your work every day

      • azimir@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 month ago

        That explains the noises at night! If they could just shore up our one sagging foundation corner in the back while they’re at it, that’d be great. After they do some serious manual labor in the summer sun for me, then they can go back to their country until I need more work done. Oh! Actually, no, we need them to do the harvest. And there’s this thing with some construction… shit. It turns out that hard workers are actually really needed everywhere and we shouldn’t be such xenophobic/racist assholes all the time.

        I do actually need the foundation looked at, though but I can’t afford it despite having a pretty decent and high experience required job. All the money is going to billionaires instead. Strange that those same billionaires are funding lots of media telling me to be afraid of people all the time… no relation to the whole immigration thing, I’m sure.

        • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 month ago

          Just because we want people to come into our country legally and want to know their background doesn’t make us racist.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 month ago

            and want to know their background

            How much background checking do you think they do on someone from France vs. someone from Libya? Do you think it’s an equal amount? (It is not.) Do you want it to be an equal amount?

            • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              1 month ago

              Yeah, I do, and obviously it’s not the same now. These people are coming in by the millions and they’re not doing background checks at all. They’re doing background checks on the ones that are waiting to get here legally.

                • NoSuchAgency@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  If there are white people crossing the Southern border illegally it includes them to since you want to make everything about race although I don’t see any white people crossing the Southern border

      • kent_eh@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        but it’s kinda hard to mop the floors where I work from home.

        Yeah, the “everyone should work from home” factions seems to forget those of us whose work requires us being able to touch the things we’re working on.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 month ago

      And while we’re at it, everyone gets a pony.

      I’d love more trains and I’d love more WFH jobs, but that’s not the reality in 2024 and just declaring “trains, bitches” is not helpful or particularly cordial to all of the people who have no choice but to make long commutes to their jobs.

      • shikitohno@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        I would wager most people don’t actually have no choice but to make a massive commute. Often it just comes down to policy choices. As a country, we’ve made deliberate decisions to ignore developing mass transit, just as we’ve decided homes should be treated as investment vehicles. If we built out and maintained more trains, buses and light rail, congestion could be cut down and more people could travel much more rapidly and efficiently. If we didn’t obsess over the idea that property values must go up without fail and encouraged building affordable housing, people could actually afford to live closer to where they work, rather than being pushed ever farther into the suburbs and countryside in search of a place they could afford to live in. Some people make insane commutes chasing higher pay in a neighboring region. I knew of people at one company who commuted from Philadelphia to Brooklyn every day, because NYC pay was higher and Philly rents lower. That said, that’s absolutely a conscious choice those people make.

        Likewise, not every job is capable of being done from home, but many are, yet workers are still forced to come into the office anyway. This is a choice by company execs, not an inevitable fact of life.

        I’m sure there are some jobs that are relatively remote, yet need to be done in person despite the long commutes. Let the people doing them be compensated accordingly, but this is absolutely not something that should be normalized for the population at large.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 month ago

          Ah yes, “find a cheaper place to live or get another job.” What a ‘choice’ you’re saying people have.

          • shikitohno@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            1 month ago

            Individually, no, but this is the decision people have been making in aggregate for decades with the people they vote into government to represent them. You can still see it happening when people oppose any attempts to build out public transportation when they believe it would either personally bother them in some way, or give poor people an easier way to access their communities.

            Heck, you saw it earlier this year where municipalities around NY have fought and ignored the mandate to build up more dense housing, or the congestion pricing being walked back now. Housing costs being unaffordable is a serious issue when it impacts them or their acquaintances, but that’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make if it keeps poor people and minorities from also being able to afford to live in their town. Something needs to be done about traffic and air quality in Manhattan, right up until it means they would either need to pay up or take the train.

            The governor is taking most of the heat for these policies, bud meanwhile, people keep reelecting the same local and state officials that aggravate the problems that the public is chronically complaining of. They’ll shoot themselves in the foot if it means they can hurt others too.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              1 month ago

              This still sounds like victim blaming to me. It should be the job of the opposition to these candidates to educate the public about what they’re voting for. Blaming the public for voting against their best interest when no one’s telling them that’s what they’re doing is a little silly.

              • shikitohno@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 month ago

                I would have more sympathy for them if these were new issues, but they’ve been perennial problems for more than three decades at this point. There comes a point where it’s either willful ignorance, or being so woefully stupid you probably ought to be declared a ward of the state and get a minder to make sure you don’t get caught off guard by your own saliva and drown in it.

                Like, it’s utterly stupid on its face. If you have the right to vote, you’re struggling to afford to keep a roof over your head, yet you keep voting for the politicians who block the very affordable housing that your continued ability to live in your community depends on because it’ll let the “wrong kind of people” move in, or “dilute the character of the neighborhood” and bring down property values, yet you cannot understand how this is voting against your own interests without someone breaking it down for you, you make a very compelling case for the shortcoming of democracy with universal suffrage. Even then, these are topics that have been gone over to death

                Blaming the public for voting against their best interest when no one’s telling them that’s what they’re doing is a little silly.

                Emphasis mine, but the public has been told over, and over, and over again. At what point does it stop being everyone else’s responsibility that they just don’t want to hear it, or are willing to ignore it if it hurts someone else?

    • Treczoks@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      1 month ago

      If there only were trains, or trams, or busses. In many areas, public transport consists of “the morning bus” and “the afternoon bus”.

      And not everyone can WFH. Actually, most people with lower pay grades can’t, so they still have to be present whereever they work.