Management: we need to find ways to automate work using AI
The ai would also use mouse jigglers after a few Werks, its the work evvironment
Is the job to be interacting with a computer for the entire duration of your shift? Fuck this incentive structure that requires people to fake touching their computer parts to show that work is being done.
in my previous job i lost the privilege to work from home because my boss told me i am “tickling my girlfriend and not working”. when in reality my job was so easy i could do all of it in about 2 hours, so i left a magnet holding down space bar to keep the pc from sleeping. of course they had taken screenshots and could tell that pretty much nothing was being done for the whole day. so then i had to drive 40km every day to do the exact same thing in the office.
They let you tickle your girlfriend at the office? That’s pretty progressive!
i doubt they would’ve allowed tickling there either, but thats how we ended up together. she was my colleague.
Gee, I would think a company like Wells Fargo would want to promote these innovators to management positions.
I use a mouse jiggler while I’m working because I often spend quite a bit of time just thinking through data structures and code composition and Teams is absolutely sure that I’m away from my desk if it’s more than 5 minutes.
I’m simply always away. It’s less misleading than being randomly away because I do actual work and am not glued to the computer.
Start a meeting. Then mark yourself as available.
That is a good suggestion. Interesting. I’ll have to try it. Although if you’re in a meeting doesn’t that mark you as busy?
I just open notepad and put something on the enter key and lay the laptop lid on it.
That’s an interesting solution. What, may I ask, are you using on the enter key?
I set my pocket knife on mine
Try reading step 2. 😂
Which one is step 2? Is that the one after step 1?
Code up an F24 presser in Excels VBA macro editor, and run that between your work hours.
If you join a private meeting with yourself it will show you busy
That explains my turbulent pubescence.
Friendly reminder that Wells Fargo is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a bank.
They’re the same picture.
How did they find out?
why though? Were they not getting enough done? And if its only like a dozen, does it justify the productiviry loss of hiring keyboard police?
They don’t care about productivity. They care about the appearance of control, and the revelation of subversive activity is a gross embarassment to the ego that thrives on that control.
It’s a bully having a tantrum because his victims don’t fear him enough.
Exactly what I keep saying. Do they get the job done? Yes or No? Very simple question in my opinion.
Some people are paid on the basis of time, not accomplishment.
To entrench back to office sentiment
Joke’s on them, I can slack off just as hard in an office as I can at home
Were they not getting enough done?
If not then fire them for that. Seems like a better metric that’s more related to how well they do their job than “how much has your mouse moved?”
How much the mouse moved is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.
The reason is in the headline.
How much work they were getting done is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.
Why would a mouse jiggler be effective for any reason unless it was a metric being measured?
Not defending them. But ill take their position for a second. I give x amount of work and expect you to finish it. And you do. But if that work takes you 2 hours and the rest of the day you do nothing it just means I can give you more work because 2 hours is just abysmal. So I wanna know about it.
Right, but if you’re paying x for y amount of work, then once y is complete and you expect y to increase, does x increase as well?
So is my work measured by how much I move the mouse? In my job if I used an automatic mouse jiggler it would have zero effect on my employment, because I’m not being employed to move my mouse, I’m being employed to do productive work.
It’s insane that such a program was useful. If your boss doesn’t know the difference between you working or not, and only knows how much your mouse moves, that is a shit boss who is terrible at their job.
A Wells Fargo spokesperson told Bloomberg that the company “holds employees to the highest standards and does not tolerate unethical behavior.”
Says an unethical piece of shit corporation that secretly opened millions of unauthorized accounts of their customers to collect bogus fees, appease their shareholders and financial status.
Were the executives fired? No. Were they jailed for financial fraud? No.
If they’re yet another stereotypical thieving baron then doesn’t that make it actually ethical to do fucking any kind of damage or do you gotta be heath ledger to actually be the good guy there?
“Highest standards” my ass. My job provides service to Wells Fargo; their fraud claims department is full of the rudest, most condescending people I’ve had the displeasure to work with.
But they did use their mouse for valid company business, so it is all OK.
Says an unethical piece of shit corporation that secretly opened millions of unauthorized accounts of their customers to collect bogus fees, appease their shareholders and financial status.
It’s unethical for the workers to pretend to open those accounts by using software to trick their administrators into looking busy.
My ex-MIL worked for Wells Fargo and opened an account for me to help meet her quota. Then I started getting overdraft fees because there was no money in the account to pay the monthly fees for the account I didn’t want or use. I had her close it. So yeah the whole company was kinda duplicitous.
Monitoring employees in this way is just the shittiest shit of all the shit. Surely they can assess output in a different way?
Right. Do they have a manager assigning them work? And then after a couple of weeks of mouse-juggling, no assignments done.
It sounds like poor management, too, aside from the mouse-jiggling.
Management is probably also mouse jiggling…
I do this too. It’s called 'software development '.
So glad I work a job where if I show ‘Away’ on Teams no one says anything, because my work is getting done. Sounds like bad management imo.
I’ve noticed that I’m in away mode way more in office than when working from home. Nobody has ever said anything to me, but I guess I get more self conscious about it when I’m at home.
But then I’ve realized that ever since I started running Linux and using the browser versions of the M365 apps, I’m in Away mode a lot and I should just ignore it.
“More than a dozen employees” for Wells Fargo is basically no one.
Ah yes. Work that tracks you, not by your output, but by whether your mouse jiggles a statistically correct amount. Nice.
70 year old management member who came up with the idea of using this metric in the first place:
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“The system shows you haven’t touched your mouse for half an hour.”
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“Yes, I worked out a solution on paper, like back in the old days.”
[confused noises]
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Poor Wells Fargo. Maybe they should sign a bunch of customers up to loans they didn’t ask for about it to feel better.
Turns out the employees didn’t actually do that. It was the mouse jigglers and clickers conspiring together.
There’s a hallmark/lifetime movie about this. The bank isn’t WF but we all know who it is.
After his corporate rah-rah and disbelief his bank full of good ethical people would do such a thing, at the behest of the main character he finds out from some marketing chuds it is in fact true. Believing in the company to do the right thing he goes against the main character’s wishes and tells an exec who expectedly closes the accts of the vocal customers and sweeps it all under the rug - deleting all record.
The love interest finds out his company doesn’t actually care about their customers when he asks if they are going to do a full company investigation and the exec laughs and instead offers up a potential promotion instead.
I knew the whole plotline was bullshit when he quit to become a whistleblower. As he gave his first interview on the main character’s tv station, he gave his full name as he did a live interview and didn’t get murdered by the bank immediately.
Thanks to Boeing we all learned that whistleblower is a far more dangerous profession than police officer and the chance of dying is thousands of percent higher. You really have to suspend disbelief at the movie plot.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around suffering watching a Lifetime movie in purpose tbh… but yeah, their plots are unintentionally farcical every time.
e: suffering=someone but it still works so I’ll leave it
I’m trying to suspend my disbelief at you watching a hallmark movie and remembering it well enough to give a synopsis.
After that fiasco I can’t believe anyone still uses Wells Fargo.
I’ve never used Wells Fargo, but I never heard about this fiasco you guys are talking about.
Banks like to think that branch employees (bank tellers) are sales people. Most of them give ‘goals’ to each employee requiring them to open a certain number of new accounts, land a certain number of loans, etc each week/month. It isn’t ethical since the only people you can really sell on those services are the ones who should least get them. Anyone who actually wants/needs the services will come to you.
Wells Fargo differed from the rest of the industry by setting completely impossible goals, not just unethical ones. This led to them developing a culture where signing people up for services they didn’t agree to became commonplace.
It isn’t ethical since the only people you can really sell on those services are the ones who should least get them.
Yes, all sales is essentially unethical unless all you do is provide info when asked.
After that crime spree I can’t believe Wells Fargo is still allowed to exist.
Funnily enough an accounting teacher I had used Wells Fargo
You don’t have a choice where your loan ends up plus there are all the corporate contracts that aren’t going to change. They were stealing money from the elderly not businesses.
I have a company I deal with at work where the owner of that one cussed out and hung up the phone on the CEO of where I work. We still do business with them because it’s way too much money to walk away from.
More than 12!!! 14? Come on. It’s precious few people in a company that big.
