Did he do it for the memes?

  • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Im sorry, im just not getting this.

    You’re worried about someone who says some dumb things when the other choice is a convicted felon, known sexual abuser, who’s actively fighting the democracy you stand for and first act as non-president was to try overthrow your government.

    Trump should be in prison or hung, and you’re comparing him to someone who says dumb things. TRUMP IS A THREAT TO HUMAN RIGHTS, GLOBAL STABILITY AND THE FUTURE OF FUCKING HUMANITY.

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      Do you not realize that saying the wrong things is a manifestation of mental processes that aren’t connecting right?

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        2 months ago

        Who gives a fuck? Even if that’s the case (which it’s not), it’s better than fascism. This is a pointless line of thinking when it comes to the election.

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      Thanks dude, im an Australian, living in Australia but this whole “the non rapist, non fascist, non criminal guy who has a raspy voice, stutter, forgets a name guy is equal or worst to the Fascist, Rapist Paedophile Destroy the World cunt” is fucking nuts. America, grow the fuck up.

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        2 months ago

        Is it not painfully obvious to everyone including in other nations that we are being uno-reverso’d the classic CIA destabilization plot? Down to supporting right wing movements and fascists? Like our country is under attack. “Grow up” - this is a war being fought online, with weapons we’ve never dealt with before as a society: AI, algorithms, data mining, bot armies

        And truly it’s a sophisticated way to attack the US. We can’t be fought economically or with actual arms; we will win those battles most likely. So if we just attack ourselves and take ourselves out, even if we are just wounded from the devastation to our education system or slowed down from implementing technology/infrastructure, it still massively helps other countries catch up and even pass us in some regards.

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          Is it not painfully obvious to everyone including in other nations that we are being uno-reverso’d the classic CIA destabilization plot?

          You misspelt FSB. The CIA has no interest in destabilising the US.

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      2 months ago

      I’m not sure what your point is. Even people voting for Biden because Fuck Trump have reasons to be concerned about the current/next president having pudding brains. Assuming Trump loses, once the election is over that’s still going to be a pressing issue.

      • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
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        Reagan proved conclusively that an effective government can have a dementia patient as the figurehead. It isn’t ideal, but the people he is surrounded by make a huge difference.

        Now, I’m not saying I agree with the policies his presidency promoted, but it was still effective

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      2 months ago

      And Biden enables genocide, among a lifetime history of right wing views such as fighting for segregation.

      Trump and Biden are not good options.

      People should be furious the Dems allowed him to be in this position today, not sucking it up and pushing harder for it.

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        comes with the job of being US president https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/ and Biden is far from the worst in the war crime enabler list, considering he has to deal with the most fascist Israeli government ever…

        If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.

        So…vote for the least bad option that disempowers you the least.

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          Instead of voting for war criminals, how about not?

          You don’t fill in a hole by taking a lesser amount of dirt out. Likewise you don’t fix the system by voting for the lesser evil.

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            Did you see Chomsky’s list? All presidents eventually become war criminals, even if it is by complicit passivity, even that “saint” Jimmy Carter (because of allowing Indonesia to proceed with genocide in East Timor).

            By that standard, even Chomsky as president would have been a war criminal if he had just made a deal to allow Ukraine to be invaded by russia with impunity.

            You get nothing for your cause by letting trump win. Nothing. And you will lose on lots of fronts that affect you personally, including protest, which at least allows you to control the israelis a little bit.

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        Do you have a source on the fighting for segregation - first I’ve heard?

        I strongly disagree with Biden enabling genocide - America isn’t the global police, the UNSC are impotent, and even if you isolate to just the US you’re looking at 35 odd years of US strategic interests and policy, dependence on foreign fuel (and denial to other superpowers), global trade chokepoints, a military industrial complex that touches every part of the US economy and American wishes to be a beacon of liberty. No 3 year president can fight that and maintain a stable country.

        Yup, Bernie sanders would have been a much better choice but he’s not a choice that can be made - you can have either blundering buffoon or egotistical, sexist, racist criminal as the most powerful person in the world.

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          The US funds and arms Israel, which they use to enforce their apartheid, a kind of segregation, as well as carry out the genocide of Palestinians. Biden enthusiastically supplies these weapons knowing they are used to kill innocent civilians every single day.

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          Joe Biden didn’t just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say. - NBC

          This has nothing to do with “world police”, Biden and America are literally sending weapons and money to Israel. They’ve routinely shielded them from the UN, and will intervene with force if anyone tries to stop Israel.

          To quote Biden himself, “I am a Zionist”. He doesn’t even try to hide how evil he is.

          You can either have a shit option or a shit option, you will never have a good option unless you stop supporting the status quo.

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            2 months ago

            Not voting is effectively voting for Trump, and a lot of people are arguing for that.

            Switching candidates this late in the game is also likely to help Trump, and a lot of people are arguing for that.

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                    Apparently people here aren’t smart enough to scroll down to see the comments, so I’ll quote.

                    Going into survival mode forever, where either party can do whatever the frick they want, because they others mustn’t win! Nice system you got there, where it’s like 50\50 every time!

                    They present you a Trump and therefore they can even kill your kids, as long as Trump doesn’t win. It’s a scam… both parties are in it. But they divided you all so perfectly fine, you stopped thinking a long time ago.

                    Looking forward to your comments, telling me about NO BOth SIdeS!

                    And Biden enables genocide, among a lifetime history of right wing views such as fighting for segregation.

                    Trump and Biden are not good options.

                    People should be furious the Dems allowed him to be in this position today, not sucking it up and pushing harder for it.

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      2 months ago

      TRUMP IS A…

      Then it’s a good thing he’s decided not to run for President. Oh wait, he is running? Then we’re screwed, if we rely on people voting for their best interests, just like in 2016, rather than just throwing their vote into the ring in order to watch the world burn.

      Like it or not, some people aren’t going to vote for Biden. We can acknowledge that now, or acknowledge it later. Btw, I really hope I’m wrong, especially since it looks like we’re going with the latter.:-( I definitely was wrong in 2016, thinking that there was no way that Trump would win against Hillary.