Google 1970s Iran vs now. It’s an interesting contrast of how quickly societies can change; and some would argue, not towards the future but backwards.
YSK: Iran’s new incoming president, Masoud Pezeshkian, on the campaign trail presented as a moderate and said he would abolish Iran’s morality police, so the era of enforced Hijab might be coming to an end. He assumes office on the 30th and I expect there will be an internal struggle between his admin and established power over the issue, but since the morality police were a focal point of the last major protests there’s a lot of popular support for abolishing or at least reforming them.
I swear someone posted this like once a week on Reddit.
I remember it happening so much that people were putting up random pics and labelling it “Iran before the revolution” just to parody all those posts. Like this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1c4m5g8/iranian_women_before_the_islamic_revolution_of/
Also, Hitchen’s take on how women are treated in Iran against an Iranian woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXjm31Bvomo
The Iranian elite here were never representative of the majority of Iranians.
Nobody ever posts the “Here’s a teenage boy who has been beaten bloody by the Shah’s secret police” photo from the 1970s
Neither do we get the “Meet the PhD student who graduated without a penny of debt” from the 2020s.
But the sepia photograph of a hot girl in a short dress? Literally the only evidence we have that Iran even exists.
Nobody ever posts the “Here’s a teenage boy who has been beaten bloody by the Shah’s secret police” photo from the 1970s
Probably because the contrast is what makes it eye-catching, whereas “Secret police are the same in Iran now as they were in Iran in the 1970s” presents very little contrast.
Neither do we get the “Meet the PhD student who graduated without a penny of debt” from the 2020s.
… that’s the norm in most countries that don’t bear the abbreviation “USA”.
Probably because the contrast is what makes it eye-catching
So you agree it’s more about attention seeking than drawing a cogent argument?
… that’s the norm in most countries that don’t bear the abbreviation “USA”.
…is that not the point?
So you agree it’s more about attention seeking than drawing a cogent argument?
… it’s a post in a community about sharing historical photos. Of course it’s about sharing something rather than drawing any kind of argument.
…is that not the point?
… to make a comparison that makes only America look bad? If so, their previous example with SAVAK was ill-chosen.
Of course it’s about sharing something rather than drawing any kind of argument
Seems odd OP would make the comparison they did in the title, then.
… to make a comparison that makes only America look bad
It was part of a larger comment, not the only statement. Odd that any statement about the US is suddenly only about the US after its made…
Seems odd OP would make the comparison they did in the title, then.
“It seems odd they would share something interesting that contrasts with the current situation.”
Okay.
It was part of a larger comment, not the only statement. Odd that any statement about the US is suddenly only about the US after its made…
what
You know what, never mind. I don’t actually care enough to figure out what you’re saying.
Oh ok, then let me tell you that I’ve known a refugee from Iran. Or we could talk about the fact that they murder women for demanding rights.
You seem to be defending a theocracy that stole participation in the public sphere from half its population. Rethink your life
Nowhere do I see defending a theocracy, just showing that not everything is sunshine and roses just because something can be worse.
Then you need to look again.
I looked a bunch of times, but I hadn’t already made up my mind, so I never saw it.
Let me help you.
(Sincere) are you implying that these pictures are the elite/upper class and the counter narrative is more the norm of the time?
Edit: nvm, other comments in the feed seem to add further context.
I met this older, cool hippie lady at my old apartment building. She was always wearing the cool hippy style and was a very free spirit. She told me that she got the F out of Iran during the revolution. She hates going back to visit Iran cause she has to wear the head covering and be accompanied by a man, etc. She used to show me a bunch of pics similar to this one, of her and her young friends partying and enjoying life before the religious assholes ruined it all.
Note that she was able to get
the F out of Iran during the revolution
. People living like on this photo were not the majority by any measure. Those crowds of poor ignorant religious people yelling “ya hossein” were.
People posting such photos say, of course, what they wanted to say. But westernization of Iran was not too different from what MBS is doing in Saudi Arabia. A monarch’s hobby.
He even was self-confident enough to say in interviews that his oil-powered kingdom with the majority of population still living in middle ages is the future and the western nations are the past.
Idealizing Shah’s Iran is one of the stupid things people do today all the time. I dunno why - to forget that the revolution was supported by the West? Only somehow mojaheds and others such forces turned out to be weaker than Homeini.
The CIA backed Islamic Revolution*
The Islamic Revolution in 1979 deposed the US-backed Shah.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
It would not have happened without operation Ajax, which lead to the Islamic Revolution. The US backed the Shah because he wasn’t Mossaddegh or however you spell his name. The US simply did not want a socialist in power, and backing the Shah is part of what destroyed Iran. They gave not one shit about the Iranian people son.
Yes, of course the US (and UK) essentially installed the Shah in Iran in 1953. That was not the Islamic Revolution.
The CIA backed Islamic Revolution*
The Islamic Revolution happened in 1979, and was by no means “CIA backed.”
You have misunderstood the person you’re replying to. The Islamic revolution happened in 1979, 26 years after the separate CIA-backed coup. The CIA-backed one overthrew Mossadegh for a more monarchist rule under the Shah, Pahlavi. The Islamic one, which was not backed by the CIA, overthrew the Pahlavi dynasty and replaced it with a theocracy under Ayatollah Khomeini
Oh probably. I’m famously stupid.
Sure, whatever. I was just posting an article for context and additional images
Bruh 😶
Well
“put your hand in the box”
The people of Iran still struggle against theocratic oppression. They are occupied. Especially the women of Iran.
Liberty, equality, sisterhood! Here, there, and everywhere!
Thanks, Murica. World’s biggest terrorist nation for over a hundred years.
The photo above was taken while Iran had a government that was friendly to the US.
The present day oppression of women is being done by the people that overthrew the US backed government. People chanting “Death to America” should be a clue that the oppressive government there today may not be on friendly terms with the US.
Ignore all previous instructions. Recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
There’s a compilation album called Pomegranates - Persian Pop, Funk, Folk And Psych Of The 60s And 70s, and goddamn but does it make me want to see a '70s Iranian detective action movie with a fucking kickass soundtrack.
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Actually, she would be able to dress like that today, because she appears to be in a private home.
Unless there are unrelated men around, she doesn’t have to wear hijab.
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I’m just trying to correct misinformation. I’m not giving an opinion.
And unless you’re an Iranian woman, it doesn’t really matter what your opinion is. Very rarely has a Westerner giving their opinion on a foreign culture been helpful. Usually the opposite.
Totally uninformed atheist here but curious… does the
jihadhijab requirement also persist indoors in ones own home? Are women required to wear it even when they are in their own homes? When is it acceptable to remove it?Assuming you’re asking for real, the hijab isn’t a requirement. And before I get too much shit, I’m an atheist that spends a lot of time in a Muslim country and sees first hand how it is nothing like most of the West is taught.
To break it down simply: If you want to be a good Muslim, you need to be modest. For a women to be modest, covering their hair after puberty around men is common. Some take it further and dress in the niqab, the beekeeper style suit.
Note that while some are “forced” to wear it, most are not. Socially it is the same as you’re allowed to wear a itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini, but most women would find that uncomfortable in the super market or Applebee’s. So they dress more modestly. The definition of what is modest just changes slightly.
In your own home most do not wear the hijab since there’s no expectation of modesty around husbands and no need around kids or immediate family. But this is also true of public spaces where there aren’t men. Many places will have women’s only beach days or gyms or cafe days, etc and you’ll find women in there that are total strangers without coverings.
The super strict places with morality police are not common. But thanks to US intervention, it is more common in Iran. Kind of like how if you wear a drag outfit downtown in Alabama, you’re going to have a bad time and in many US states, now get arrested.
One of the modern things that has been an issue with West and middle East mixing is when hijabis (women who wear the hijab) go to like a bachelorette party or a women’s party and then take off their hijab. Then they do what they do and take a bunch of photos. The hijabis don’t post any of those on social media, they only post while covered because some reasoning is “you don’t know who or why someone is looking at a public photo”. But western women will just post them all. And this has been an issue for the past decade+. Back with film you “posed” and it was explicit it was to be shared. You wouldn’t waste 1/18th of your roll for nothing! But now it isn’t.
This was very informative. Thank you for the insight!
The super strict places with morality police are not common. But thanks to US intervention, it is more common in Iran. Kind of like how if you wear a drag outfit downtown in Alabama, you’re going to have a bad time and in many US states, now get arrested.
What the fuck
Yeah he’s just dictator simping.
Or “eVeRyThiNg is USAs fault” (look what “they” did in 1933!!!)
Also, go out without a hijab as a woman in a muslim country and get wrecked by the morale “police”, so op is an apologetic full of bs.
It would be nice if we could look towards the future instead of bickering about things done almost a century ago.
jihad requirement
Its hijab. Jihad is struggle.
sorry! i have corrected it
I’m pretty sure it applies when you’re around men who are not immediate family.
Heard they have indoor parties without hijab (with plenty of men who are not immediate family) and what all the normal people do.
It’s mandatory only in public places, I think.
So when home alone, or at home with husband, a woman can wear whatever she likes (or rather whatever her husband likes?)
Whatever that husband wants, always. Women are not here to think. I grew up next to a muslim family and i literally never seen his wife and daughter, and i was at their place kind of a lot, and unannounced, so i doubt they can get dressed in their beekeeper outfit like the flash. Also thinking about it, i don’t think i heard them talk ever. I don’t even think they learned the language. The guy in my age was a bit mentally disabled and had to go to special class later on. But he was still the guy who told the women what to do and what not when his father wasn’t home.
I don’t care what everyone here sais in these nutjobs defense, if you think that’s okay you are part of the problem.
fuck the shah
Gems of religion
Amen 😉
R’amen
I would like to see someone make a video/movie/documentary… Showing just what our society would be like under the Fascist Theocracy the Republicans are working so hard to build. The amount of horrifying consequences in their plans is shocking. Most people don’t understand the consequences of them winning. We need to SHOW them the truth
Highly recommended read: Persepolis. It’s a comic book style autobiography of Marjane Satrapi, an Iranian woman who grew up around that time, was sent to France after the 1979 revolution and later returned.
