So nice that the cars left some space for the people to live in
A lot of people use their garage as storage instead of parking their car in it, especially smaller garages like that one
That’s slightly better but it’s still putting stuff over people.
Then just build a house instead
But there’s a house already and you might not want to store your tools and do woodworking in your extra bedroom, right?
My tools are in my bedroom, but I have to clean them well before storing them.
I would if it was the size of a garage
You’ve never done woodworking if you think it’s something you want to do inside your house.
The fun size part doesn’t really bother me. For someone like me with no intention of having a family, 969 sq ft seems fine, maybe even more than I’d ever need. The price could be (a lot) better, and I definitely wouldn’t want to live in Arizona, but if I did I’d want to be closer to the city than this Florence appears to be.
Is Arizona a bad place to live. I keep hearing this.
I live here. The fuck does everybody want to move here for? Public transit sucks, traffic congestion abound, school system is dogshit, you have the elderly that can’t drive but still do and are usually horribly bigoted and racist at the W and E ends of the valley, like they are doing a flanking maneuver. We’ve been in a drought for decades, the power system is only ‘fine’ even though we have a fucking nuclear plant outside phoenix, plus solar and hydro. We have rich cunts in the east valley and the west is deteriorating even with the constant population and building expansion.
I like it here because I was born here, everything I know is here. But objectively, anybody wanting to move here is both insane and braindead. It’s fucking baffling.
For me it would just be too damn hot, I’m not real keen on living in a desert.
These are rational housing sizes. People talk about older generations buying houses right on the cheap, my parents raised 5 kids in a 3 bedroom 1 1/2 bathroom home that was around 900 square feet. This is a reasonable size for a family. Old guy rant off.
Nah, 900 square ft is the size of a large apartment. That’s a bit cramped even for a couple. Just because you did it doesn’t mean it was good. You’re great grandparents worked in mines and didn’t go to school. Does that mean the child labor laws that protected you are superfluous?
Families live in large apartments lol. What’s your point? That apartments are only for students or young professionals? Medium density housing with better mass transit links is the future. Low density housing is not environmentally sustainable. I live with 2 kids in 64sqm. Its small but it’s adequate. I’m CBD adjacent, so I’ve no car.
My point is your past suffering isn’t proof of anything. And what society considers enough shouldn’t be based on foolish nostalgia.
I ask again, were the child labor laws that protected you wasteful. Because having children work instead of going to school certainly “worked” before.
My point is that 900 sq ft for a family isn’t unusual. Then or now. It’s an unrealistic and unsustainable vision that every child in every family gets their own bedroom.
Wow, ok… I live with my wife and our two cats in a home only a bit larger than that, in the suburbs… Kitchen, living, two bathrooms, three bedrooms out of which two were converted to home office, one for each. Got it at €92k, 4 years ago, in fucking Eastern Europe. Same house now costs €160k. So, tbh, $200k+ în the US, somehow sounds reasonable…
It looks like if you park your car in the driveway you get twice the space in the house.
Garages are just storage units. Nobody really parks their car in the garaze, right?
right?
If you live anywhere that has extreme temperatures, your car will last longer if you park it inside. Bonus, you don’t have to scrape the snow off and sit there idling for 10 min to warm it up in the winter.
Unless your car is like over 30 years old, there is no need to warm it up before driving. Unless we’re talking about struggling to clear the windshield.
I’d say the windshield is probably the biggest thing, nearly the whole point. Also while the engine may be good to go in short order, the cabin can still be pretty cold and unpleasant. I can’t stand driving in thick coat and gloves, so a nice cabin is pretty luxurious to step into.
If it’s cold outside, I’m wearing a coat and gloves and all that, so there is no need. The only time I’ve had to wait is when I can’t defrost the windshield for whatever reason.
That is understandable
I park 2 cars in my garage it what’s it for and goddammit I am going use that space for that purpose.
JFC my apartment in Chicagoland is 660ish sqft and costs $1100 a month. And our area isn’t doomed to turn into the American Sahara in a century. fuuuuuuuck that.
Uhh 90m^2 house with half of it occupied by a fucking large garage…?
Dunno about Arizona but everywhere I’ve lived unconditioned space like a garage wouldn’t count towards the square footage.
Ah so it’s “livable square feet” on the post or w/e it’s called, not total
It should say that somewhere in the ad (in the US) or the garage/unconditioned space is omitted entirely even if it is a 24x24 or something. It might get a separate mention though depending on who is selling.
It’s bonkers, but it varies regionally in the US on how a garage space is treated. Midwest? You park a car in there out of the snow/elements. Southeast? It’s for all the junk you don’t want in the house.
Hard to tell for sure since it’s just a screenshot but that would be my assumption
ETA: Found this floor plan for a similar sqft from the same builder also in Florence, AZ
Oh wow only the equivalent of living in downtown Dayton when you want to be in Columbus.
Its all garage
I don’t see any flaws in that plan. When I’m home I’m basically either there or in bed. Bikes ain’t gonna wrench on themselves.
Fair play to ya if you use it but most people don’t other than for storage. Bike pics?
Ah I just wrench at the bike shop, though I do need more garage
Downtown where? No condos you can compare are that cheap near Scottsdale or PHX that you’d want to live in. Those run about $100k more.
My first home was 2br 1.5ba, 800 sqft, and was a perfect starter. It would have easily accommodated a family of 3, maybe 4 if the kids shared a bedroom. It’s more space than most people realize if it’s properly utilized. I’d gladly downsize to a home of that size again.
That’s pretty much my place right now. It’s just the two of us and the cats, so it’s plenty. Oh, and the motorcycles.
…My garage honestly has comparable square footage to the footprint of my house. Priorities.
that’s the dream right there. 500 sq.ft. house, 1000sq.ft. garage
I miss my garage. I moved to the city for a better job and left behind a nice plot of land with a garden and a big garage. I’m in a condo now, just a basic apartment really, and it only has street parking. I hope I can someday find a home in this area that is a carbon copy of my starter home.
Is that a garage with a microhouse attached or a house with gigantic front door and smaller front door?
Can the U.S rename their fucking towns from existing cities’ names???
Can Europe remove their towns now that America has replaced them?
