After seeing that my wireless speeds were much faster than the speeds I was getting over Ethernet, I decided to invest in some new cables. I didn’t know it before, but I saw while I was changing them out that my current cables were Cat 5e. While putting my network together, I had just been grabbing whatever cables I could find in my scrap drawers. Now I have Cat 8 cables and my speeds jumped from 7MB/s to an average of over 40MB/s. It’s a much bigger improvement than I expected, especially for such a small investment.
Cat8 is pointless with gigabit equipment as far as speed goes. Cat6 will do 10gig, you just had bad cables.
Yep. I’m running 1/1Gbps wan connection over cat5e just fine. Even on very noisy environment at work with a longish run (70+ meters) we ran pretty damn stable 1/1Gbps over good quality cat7.
I tried running a 1/1Gbps connection over Cat5e at home too, but for some reason, I couldn’t get it to connect properly. Ended up switching to Cat6, and it finally stabilized. I’m still scratching my head over why the Cat5e didn’t work as expected.
At work where cable runs are usually made by maintenance people the most common problem is poor termination. They often just crimp a connector instead of using patch panels/sockets and unwind too much of the cable before connector which causes all kinds of problems. With proper termination problems usually go away.
But it can be a ton of other stuff too. Good cable tester is pretty much essential to figure out what’s going on. I’m using 1st gen version of Pocketethernet and it’s been pretty handy, but there’s a ton of those available, just get something a bit better than a simple indicator with blinking leds which can only indicate if the cable isn’t completely broken.
Wonder if the cables replaced by OP were user-made, not commercial cables, that were our together incorrectly.
They had been collected from various ISP provided modems and routers I’ve purchased over the years.
At least in here some of the older modems, specially from ADSL-era, only had two pairs in them, so they were only good up to 100Base-T, which is roughly 7MB/s. So maybe check if that’s the case and throw those into recycling bin.
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100m is the spec max. More than that, you need a powered repeater (i.e. baby switch). And you won’t get 100m if you have bad cables.
I once saw a run in a cruise terminal, out of the cruise ship, down the gangway, along the terminal hallway, and through two more little switches just sitting on the floor next to an outlet. Not sure why they needed that run, but that’s what they did and it worked.
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Yes, I was agreeing with you. Although as I mentioned, it’s technically 100m, which is 328 feet and one inch. And the spec also allows up to 5m of patch cable on each end, which I don’t think I knew.
But that’s the spec target. Low-quality cable, physical damage, or environmental conditions like interference may reduce the actual max in practice. You might be able to push it with cat6 and up, but the spec still only says 100m.
Copper core versus copper clad aluminum is going to matter here too. Both will claim to hit the spec, but you’re more likely to get there with the expensive copper only.
Cat 5e
The fact that your old cable was cat5e has no bearing whatsoever on you getting shit speeds before changing cables. The gigabit spec was codified and products were on the market before the cat5e spec was ratified. Gigabit ethernet was literally made for standard cat5. I bet your previous cable was terminated incorrectly, and was only using two of the four pairs, limiting you to 100mbit.
Bingo!
Proper termination can be a bitch.
Orange white, orange
Green white, blue
Blue white, green
Brown white, brown
Learned it 20 years ago, never used it. how did I do?
You pass! I’ve done several thousands of these over the past decade.
I forget the order 5 times in the middle of crimping each side, so you’re doing better than me.
Ewwww orange first? Why are you making a crossover cable backwards for?
I thought T568B at each end was standard practice these days
Depends where in the world you are.
We use A in Australia and from what I have seen in western Europe A is also used more.
Cat5e works fine for gigabit. If it’s not connecting at 1G, then the cable has been damaged and is probably connecting at 100M.
You should be seeing about 118MB/s in an iperf test on gigabit ethernet.
My guess you had broken cables or defective connectors. Because even on cat5 (not cat5e) you should get much more than 7mbit, or did you have coaxial? LoL.
In my experience 90% are plugs, specially if you crimped yourself with Chinese tools
Cat8 is not the benefit here. It’s all twisted pairs as any other CAT cable. You probably just had a shitty quality cable.
Or ones (or one) that was worn out.
Yep, a break from being wrapped up tightly a bunch of times
Cat8 is not the benefit here.
That is correct. Since we talk about lower then Gb speeds
It’s all twisted pairs as any other CAT cable. You probably just had a shitty quality cable.
Yes, but the CAT does not simply do nothing, shielding is probably the most distinguished factor on the CAT rating and it increases the signal integrity and therefore the max speed you can push across the cable. Saying “all just twisted pair” is just BS, or just try to get 10 Gb speeds on a CAT 5 on 100m long cable.
Your connection is 40MB/s I assume
5e is capable of getting the full 1Gbps of my connection so I easily see over 90MB/s. That being said I bought a big 100m bulk years ago and have been clipping it myself with care.
If you were indeed using leftover/ free cables of cuestionable quality it indeed could be a reason for poor perfomance
You can get gigabit over 5e, you don’t need super expensive cables. That said I ran cat 6 through my whole house and am able to fully saturate the bus, about 115 MBps (920 Mbps) which accounts for the TCP overhead. I haven’t tried 2/5/10G on it bull I’ll probably upgrade in a few years, I don’t expect to have much trouble getting good speeds. Your biggest issue was you might not have had all the cable pairs in your wire, or your cables ends might have been crusty, or you could have had bad kinks in the wire causing packet loss, or some real absolute trash quality wire. In general, 5e and 6 are plenty for most people/situations to get good speeds (1Gb+)
Cat 5e does 2.5Gb. Getting higher spec cables might increase the probability of them being well made to spec but other than that, what you really need is good quality cables, Cat 5e or otherwise.
You’ve been using cheap cables.
Next step up is a JCAT: https://audiobacon.net/2019/11/02/the-jcat-signature-lan-a-1000-ethernet-cable/amp/
/s if not obvious.
Someone took Monster’s “$100 gold plated HDMI” cable and one-upped it.
That review started off promising, but then the guy starts selling it. Boo.
40MB/s is no where near the limit of cat 5e. It can easily do gigabit.
Not all cat 5e is created equal…you can buy a good cat5e from a reputable supplier or a super shit one at the dollar store…they just stamp 5e on it even if it is under sized wire and not actually been tested to work
My favorite failure was when someone used solid-core cabling for all their patch cables instead of stranded and kept bitching about how unreliable everything was.
Which, of course, it is when you use the wrong cable and it keeps breaking as you move it around.
Cat 5e cables are tested to meet the cat 5e standard. Anything outside of that is false advertising and you should return it for a full refund
Dollar store and Aliexpress make it a bit difficult to return LOL.
In the US you are legally allowed to return something that is defective.
Yeah here dollar store purchases are final sale, no returns, and aliexpress really depends on the seller. Some good stuff there, some just scammy junk. And many manufacturers will skimp on purpose, and say they are certified without actually getting a certification or testing.
Well if it can’t do the spec, then it’s not Cat 5e is it. 😅
I have stable ~950 MBit/s to the NAS with Cat5e. That’s ~115 MB/s. If that 40 is to a machine on the LAN, either there is some bottle neck at one of the ends, or there’s some problem with the cable to the RJ-45 jacks.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters IP Internet Protocol NAS Network-Attached Storage PoE Power over Ethernet TCP Transmission Control Protocol, most often over IP
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