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I’d be glad if NATO didn’t exist.
It would mean countries wouldn’t feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.
But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.
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I would much prefer every country in the planet being in NATO.
Any country attacks any other country? Literally the whole world goes to defend it. So no invasions are possible.
It wouldn’t work though. Wouldn’t take much time for alliances to form that agree to not follow NATO’S rules.
Nato already does not enforce their mission against the US and US backed vassel states
Nah, I want war. I want the rest of the world to go to war with the US. They’ve got a Nazi problem. We beat the Nazis in 1945 and we might need to beat them again in 2045.
My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.
My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.
I’d like your comment more if it said: “I’d be glad if NATO didn’t have to exist”
And I’d like your comment more if it said “Ricky is the bestest person on all of the world” but we can’t all have what we want.
Are you my hundred year old Jewish great uncle? How’d you get on here?
Every species has weapons embedded into its body, some organisms are specialized members of the species, such as queens and babies, but all species spend a portion of their precious energy budget building weapons.
Given how ruthlessly evolution prunes out anything that doesn’t give an advantage, I think this gives significant information about the nature of existence.
Hostility appears to be as universal as entropy, and just as manageable.
Fun fact. Being the most complex object in the known universe. The human brain is the lowest entropy place we know…
Life feeds on life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre#False_leads
NATO isn’t there to defend you, it’s there to serve the interests of a bunch of rulers and elites
That might be hard to grasp but sometimes the interests or rulers and elites do align to some degree with the average person in their country. Most rich and powerful people have a lot of investments that are worth significantly less when unpredictable things such as invasions happen that disrupt trade.
Humanity is literally on the verge of extinction due to global warming and you still believe rulers gives a single shit to anything that isn’t money or power? War is a business.
I can’t hear you with that imperialist cock brushing against your tonsils.
Sure I’m a NATO apologist: I’m sorry NATO is necessary because Russia is such an antagonistic fuckwad.
Russia had a choice: play by the west’s rules, or play second fiddle to China. They chose the latter unfortunately for them and for us.
That’s just what happens when you go from tsarist serfdom state to a communist peasant regime to a “democractic” dictatorship while constantly greasing the gears with vodka and corruption.
Hey at least the alcoholism has gotten a little bit better, right?
Hey, you’d think so, right?
I mean, even if we trust the numbers coming out of a propaganda-riddled shithole whose only saving grace at this point would be a couple hundred strategically placed nukes (which - to be clear - I don’t. Their entire government+military is probably downing shots just to get through morning briefings). Even trusting their sources, they’re still back on the potato wild ride again. At this point I can only commend the nation for slowly killing itself, and blame them for not choosing a speedier route.
Actual quote from Vladimir Putin:
Dear NATO, we regret being imperialist bastards. We regret coming to Ukraine. And we most definitely regret that the VMSU just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!
The world was deeply afraid of Marxism. When Russia experienced a workers-led revolution in 1917, Western powers were terrified of the spread of Marxist ideas and the potential threat they posed to the capitalist world order. In response, several Western states, along with their client states, sent their armies into Russia, aiming to overthrow the newly established worker-run government under the Bolsheviks. We attacked first, in an effort to suppress a system we feared.
This antagonism continued and evolved over the decades, culminating in the Cold War, where tensions between the Soviet Union and the West defined global politics. The Cuban Missile Crisis stands out as a key moment in this conflict. In fact, it was the United States that, in violation of international norms and against the Geneva Convention, installed nuclear launch sites along Russia’s borders in Turkey, heightening the threat and contributing to the Soviet response of placing missiles in Cuba.
Historically, it’s clear that we have been antagonistic towards Russia, driven by a fear of communism and a desire to maintain Western dominance. This pattern of confrontation has had long-lasting effects on the geopolitical landscape, contributing to the strained relations that persist today.
Dont take my word for this stuff, you can easily find information online, in text books.
Not to defend Western European imperialism in Russia because fuck that but no one did more to destroy the newly established worker-run government than the Bolsheviks. I’m assuming you’re a ML–unfortunately they don’t allow factual discussions of history, so you’ll need to read some history outside of the thought bubble to learn the truth.
Trotskyist, so all up for discussion and challenging my understanding. Point me in the direction.
A lot of it is from many articles and podcasts I’ve read but here’s a decent if long overview. https://blackrosefed.org/workers-power-and-the-russian-revolution/
If you prefer an audio format, I recommend this video (the visuals are optional so I usually listen in the background). https://youtu.be/uwU3STgBknQ
The whole series is worth a listen but would be a big time commitment.
Gentle reminder that blocking the entire Lemmy.ml instance has made this place a lot less … tankie
Can you do that yet without your instance just entirely defederating?
Yes. Go to: settings > blocks > scroll down
At the end of the page, below your blocked users and communities, there is a list of instances, which you blocked. You can add instances there aswell.
Please be aware that user-level instance blocking is not the same as instance-level defederation. User-level instance blocking is equivalent to blocking all the communities from that instance. AFAIK you’ll still see posts and comments from the blocked instance in other communities. More problematically, the blocked instance still influences your feed via its votes.
Ah yes, that paragon of leftist virtue…
…*checks notes*…
Muammar Gaddafi?
And they wonder why they don’t get taken seriously.
The point is not that Gaddafi was a leftist, but that NATO is an evil imperialistic offensive organisation that overthrows governments
Of course Libya was never a NATO mission, was done by two countries (I include the UK as part of the USA at this point) that certainly could have coordinated even if NATO did not exist. France has always been the most NATO sceptical country in the union as well.
Oh and let’s not forget that blaming NATO allows them to forget the real reason France got involved there. But why would they want to distract people away from Sarkozy and his neoimperialism? Let me check what’s he got to say about Ukraine… Yup, checks out
Yeah my money is on the 60.000.000€ (IIRC) Sarko illegally got for his electoral campaign from Gadaffi (donations and such are very regulated in France and that was clearly very illegal), and then Gadaffi started to get vocal about it… … and then suddenly he got caught bu French forces and oupsie daisy boom.
Nothing to do with NATO.
I got banned on a lemmy.ml sub for pointing out a post was misleading, that’s it.
People here complain about reddit mods being power tripping, but my experience on Lemmy has been equal if not worse. Ml and hexbear being obvious examples, but I’ve even gotten 7 or 30 days bans, with no warning, for stupid shit that I’ve seen plenty of other people do, in a news sub and aboringdystopia, obviously because the mod disagreed with my opinion, they were just using some minor violation of the rules to justify banning me.
A lot of folk either have forgotten or never experienced self regulated communities that existed prior to social media.
It is a culture shock to see disagreeable or stupud takes instead of them being removed from their sight and feeds without engagement or even knowledge.
The difference is that the mods in many cases also run the instance. If anything that could be worse for power tripping!
But you can always remove those instances from your Lemmy experience. Not always a great option if there’s only one good community for something (e.g. news), but supposedly people who agree with you do the same and make a new community. Given nothing can last forever and even your own instance can grow terrible with time (as Reddit subs sometimes did), it’s nice to be able to hedge your bets.
Example, nothing of value was lost defederating from hexbear.
Dessalines literally changed how mod log reports work (to not show who took the action or if it was an admin) early on because it was a bad look that he was censoring and banning so many users over very mild perceived slights. The dude is clearly off his rock at this point, ironically showing exactly what Marxist-Leninists do with even a tiny bit of trivial power.
One time I posted a meme on a Blahaj community I moderated where someone named Obvious_Troll@hexbear.net was being transphobic. Ada, the instance owner, private messaged me to say I needed to redact the username or my post would be removed. She said Obvious_Troll is a real, trans Lemmy user and I’m not to attack them. There is no user called Obvious_Troll, I made that username up for the meme. Ada defended a fictional transphobic troll because they were from Hexbear.
Lemmy has a serious admin problem.
I think Ada is afraid of ever hurting a trans person, like by excluding them from their community, even though their job is to moderate users on the trans instance.
Oh it’s absolutely worse here.
I think I was banned from some communities there but I don’t remember which ones and haven’t missed them. I’m probably better off.
Those… aren’t even mutually exclusive opinions? NATO can exist for more than one reason.
No no no, they said “what about–,” so the argument is over.
Well if NATO exists for more than one reason and serve multiple purposes, then claiming NATO exists only for defensive purposes is wrong. Since it also exists for other purposes. Then it is also wrong that it is necessary harmless to Russia. I believe that is a logical conclusion?
But as soon as you express such an opinion you get branded a putinist and downvoted. That is why the lemmy.ml community protects itself from
nato expansionlemmy.world users.This question is so hot because it goes towards Russia’s justification for invasion, and for the claims of Ukraine and US to be completely innocent in the causes for the war. IF nato not only serves as a defensive organization but also serves as a tool for regime change then Russia does at least have a shitty justification for a preventive war - to prevent more arms building in Ukraine. And the war clearly has shown that Ukraine with enough weapon supplies by the west is a serious threat to Russia.
You do NOT have to be a tankie to be angry about the “brinkmanship” of the US, Ukraine and nato - and Russia. You can be angry at all parties. But the overwhelming propaganda or dogma on reddit and lemmy.world is that only Russia is to blame. This makes any diplomatic solutions impossible.
That is WHY the propaganda is so strong and why this opinion that nato eastward expansion represents not just defensive purposes is not allowed. Because otherwise you might end this war diplomatically.
Now the overwhelming majority of users will not give one inch on this position. You see how they make fun of this very serious and painful topic. I feel empathy for all the ukrainian and russian lives lost and get angry at the jokers preventing any honest discussion about the causes and possible solutions to this war. It is as painful as the israel/palestine conflict. So .ml and hexbear DO need to protect themselves from these kind of “nato is only defensive” crap because frankly, it is painful.
In this “post-truth” sense there is little difference between liberals or “lefties” and MAGAts. They deny historical facts or logical arguments. Except that the magats are weirdly also pro russia because of trump. That does not mean ml users are “pro” Russia or tankies. That is just a slur. There is plenty to hate about Putin. Especially his interference in social media and elections is abominable. But the neoliberals are no better!
What happened in Libya according to them?
Poor Gaddafi was attacked by the corrupt NATO, to the disgust of the rest of the world (except that it was resolution by the UN security council).
except that it was resolution by the UN security council
You mean the Security Council over which Russia has veto power? That UN Security Council?
Russia’s decision to abstain in that vote happened under the notoriously “liberal” Medvedev and was a point of heated disagreement between him and Putin. It was arguably the breaking point for Putin deciding he needed to hold onto power indefinitely or else (in his view) a liberal president would let NATO do whatever they want, with Russia presumably being next on the chopping block
Is that why Medvedev is constantly on X threatening to nuke NATO like every 5 minutes?
Thanks for the reminder, happy cake day
All the happy cake days to you! What will you do with your time without them? ;) EDIT: i.e., without lemmy.ml
I’m just waiting till the deferation from lemmy.ml
Only 30 days?
If you ever need to have a dialogue on any subject and want a reasonable partner, don’t worry - you can just have that morning coffee and you’ll eventually shit out better choices than the entirety of ml, hexbear, lemmygrad and a bunch of other cuntwaffles combined.
Time to block an instance :p
Hard agree. The Fediverse would be much healthier if more instances defederated Hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml. They constantly spread propaganda for violent dictators.
Time for other instances to defederate. Blocking an instance on the user-level unfortunately isn’t the same as instance-level defederation.
Yea, lemmy is a bit of a mess. And from some interactions I’ve had with mods and devs, it would seem they like their platform a bit derailed
As much as I don’t want that to be true, you’re not wrong. I’ve been banned in .world for reporting an obvious troll. I’ve had comments removed for asking what the weather is like over there. I was told I was calling them a russian troll and that’s against the rules. BUT, then I get called a troll in the same instance by someone from .ml and no removal of the comment, no ban. Free to say as they please. Lemmy has a serious mod problem.
To be fair, still better than the alternatives
I agree
Because there is a nonzero chance that Russia is funding Lemmy development and lemmy.ml as a propagandist training ground.
Yes, I know that sounds insane, but the official donation tally is like $2300/m for lemmy.ml and Lemmy development, which means they either have some other funding or Dessalines is just choosing to be the poorest software engineer on the planet because he is just that cool.
That would not surprise me if true. I’m also noticing an oddly large amount of people I’ve blocked commenting in this thread.
I can’t read their comments without going to a different app, but I usually only block people spamming bullshit or when they throw a lot of slurs at me.
They identified this thread as something that might slow their propaganda efforts, so here they are
Might just be coincidence, I dunno
True, but enough coincidences can form very convincing patterns.
It doesn’t sound insane at all. I don’t know if its a training ground, but I’d bet my arm there’s Kremlin funding being pumped straight into Lemmy.ml
If so, Vlady Puty, well known for his love of communism, is pretty stingy about it:
He doesn’t care about Lemmy development, he’s paying people to run LLMs.
Why? I’d prefer to make the decision on an individual basis, genuinely.
Blocking an instance in the user settings just hides communities from that instance in the community search. Defederating hides all communities, posts, comments and user from that instance. It’s not implemented the same way, probably on purpose, because the Lemmy devs (who btw are the admins of Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml) know that half the Fediverse would just block them.
Blocked ml months ago, couldn’t have made a better choice. Their user’s comments still show up though. Only ml communities get blocked.
I have the “boost for lemmy” app, it has wildcard filters. I used to to get rid of feddit, after about 20 of their users spammed me with slurs for not speaking german on an australian instance
So what is nato then?
Everyone keep asking what is NATO.
But nobody is asking how is NATO.
Whomst is NATO?
Why is nato?
Real answer or NCD answer?
I’ve literally never heard of the word “real”, NCD it is.
It’s a list of words for each letter in the English alphabet so they they can be spelled unambiguously over the radio.
On your phone, you have an app called Safari/Chrome/Firefox. Try opening it and then typing the 4 letters “nato” into the text box at the top. Once you’ve finished, hit enter.
There you will find the answer.
That was a rethorical question, but thank you!
I figured it was and wanted to play along with the joke. Seems like others didn’t take kindly to my attempt.
Have a great day 😎
Folks don’t take kindly to people takin’ kindly around here…
lol seriously. What the fuck.
This place…. It is something.
Gave you some upvotes to hopefully brighten your mood. It can be rough, have a great day.
Lol. Thank you. Votes don’t really matter and I enjoyed writing that comment, so who care!
Have a nice day yourself!
My mind is blown. Slay.
how dare you critize the regime comrade
So, I blocked the instance about a week ago, I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.
I only wonder how the people/government of Mali feel about them using their country’s top-level domain for… Whatever it is they’re using it for.
I dunno enough about Mali to really say, but I’m pretty sure that Lemmy.ml has nothing to do with that country… For them the ML means… Something else entirely.
Well, yeah. Kinda like how most .tv domains don’t really have anything to do with Tuvalu, or .io with the British Indian Ocean Territory, etc.
Yep. It happens a lot. Most of the time it’s benign, fairly neutral websites.
As the other commenter mentioned, youtu.be is another example.
I don’t have a problem with people using TLDs for other countries or anything, my curiosity is whether Mali cares that it’s essentially a site glorifying Marxism–Leninism owned and operated by people who don’t live there, and apart from their glorified ideologies sharing an innitialism with the country code, the two don’t necessarily have any overlap…
Just seems like a PR problem if people take to using your country code TLD to spread propaganda that you disagree with, because your country will be regularly mentioned when discussing the site.
I don’t think anyone here will conflate Lemmy.ml with the people, beliefs or properties of the people of Mali, but all it takes is for one extremist tied to that site, to do something horrible, have a spotlight shined on lemmy.ml, and one over-enthusiastic journalist to mention that .ml is the country specific domain for Mali, and all of a sudden, otherwise ignorant common folk are associating acts of terrorism and violence with your country.
The government of Mali and specifically the department that runs the TLD, has the power to revoke their domain registration… I’m just saying.
Reminds me of the story of people’s .mil emails going to the .ml top level domain and the Malian government asking the US to fix their shit
Somehow that doesn’t surprise me in the least.
It stands for Marxism-Lenininism I aasume.
My understanding is that .ml was cheap (maybe free?) and the Marxist-Leninist thing was a happy coincidence/backronym.
Honestly, can’t we defederate from that shithole. I don’t see why we need to get a post every other day just to ruin everyone’s day
Well at least people got educated on left side extremism. I think it puts things in the broader perspective and maybe even someone decided to research these topics some more.
It makes you wonder about communism as a whole. Does it always lead to totalitarianism? Etc
It’s healthy to see all the nut jobs from time to time and reflect on your own steps.
If your views align with the nut jobs for example that makes you wonder hmm something is wrong.Tankies are totalitarian right winners cosplaying as left wingers. Communism hasn’t been in power in Russia since Gorbachev. It’s been nationalists since then. They swung. They swung hard. They kept the totalitarianism and got rid of the leftness. I’d have made largely the opposite choice.
And as many argue, USSR was state capitalism.
Lenin was actually capitalist libertarian, they won’t tell you that in the history books written by rotten western imperialists but it’s true. You should read The Communist Manifesto.
Moderators please we have a liberal in the comments, I can’t breatheee
Been working my way through Richard Wolfe stuff first, then I’ll work on the classics. If Wolfe says USSR was state capitalism, then he’s a liberal too.
I’m totally ignorant here, but uh… Isn’t the point of communism to I close state capitalism?
Communism is not Marxism, which afaik really has never been implemented.
I think you are wrong about the right/left thing. Ever hear about the horseshoe theory of politics?
Russia embraced capitalism after the fall of the USSR then became an oligarchy where a bunch of super rich run the whole thing. Socialism is dead in Russia and has been for a long time. The only thing that didn’t change is that most people are cripplingly poor. Where have you been for the last 40 years?
People whose views align with nutjobs think that everyone else is being dramatic.
This is how it’s supposed to work on the Fediverse. If you don’t like an instance, you defederate. I take no position on people at lemmy.ml, but unless people are rage addicts the best thing to do is ignore instances you find objectionable.
Can’t, it drives engagement.
dont know why lemm.ee the instance am on is federated with hexbears
