• ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    I can’t believe I’m saying this to defend the people who most often used it to justify their racism but the IQ test is not an objective measure of intelligence and was designed by eugenicists.

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      1 month ago

      Totally. The history of intelligence has sadly also been the story of eugenics. Fortunately, there have been process-based theories and contextual theories that have defined intelligence in more humane and useful ways. In this view, IQ tests do not measure an underlying characteristic, but a set of mental skills. Seen this way, intelligence becomes something people can gain with nurturance. If you’re interested, check out Relational Frame Theory.

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      1 month ago

      Also, the difference between the countries with the highest average IQ and the US was 10 points, which is the same kind of increase you can get in IQ testing scores if you tell the tester that they’ll get $10 if they do well.

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      1 month ago

      I don’t think it was destined by eugenicists. I think it was used by eugenicists and the original creator warned against it being used that way. Basically like Darwinism.

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    The rational person in me knows that IQ as a metric of intelligence has long since been proven to be bullshit pseudoscience.

    But the anti-american in me is just going to turn that part of my brain off and chuckle for a few moments…

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    1 month ago

    Wow what an incredibly xenophobic and hateful headline.

    Also from the author himself:

    The studies used to support these data, however, are controversial. This is in part because they may have considered only specific population groups or a small sample size per country.

    What productive and enlightening kind of discussions were you expecting with that headline, OP?

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      Yeah I’m not American but it’s particularly egregious (shocking for you Americans 😉) as it states that the score for the USA was 98 and the global average was 100.

      So OP is an ass for that title imo.

  • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    So entire countries are, according to this article, functionally mentally disabled? I find that hard to believe given the bell curve of IQ results.

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    This is a well written article. I’m not sure how the OP came to their conclusion. The US ranks 24th on average IQ (with an IQ of 98) and is in good company with France, Denmark, Australia also at 98. For those curious, Canada, Finland and Germany were 99.

    24th out of 102 should not be considered “dumber than average”. Additionally, as the article clearly states, the average has been going up, approximately 3 points per decade, and this is partly due to an increase in logical thinking.

    East Asia is the outlier here, with many countries at 101 or higher (China at 105) though I find it curious that Hong Kong and Macau were singled out separately from China.

    I wonder if these higher numbers have something to do with the homogeneity within these cultures, the average age of the county’s population, and/or, as another commenter mentioned, the way in which the higher IQ countries approach education.

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          1 month ago

          Says experts. This is why its illegal to use IQ tests for placements in many places. Because its racist. It does not measure intelligence.

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        1 month ago

        What does the abbreviation stand for?

        Per the Wikipedia definition:

        An intelligence quotient (IQ) is a total score derived from a set of standardised tests or subtests designed to assess human intelligence.

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      24th out of 102 should not be considered “dumber than average”.

      Isn’t, by definition, a score of 100 in the test supposed to be average…? If so, 98 would definitely be below average, though not by much.

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        Consider the numbers presented. If you can figure out the math on how to get the 24th ranked countries out of 102 rankings to be below 100, then I’ll reconsider.

        The countries who rank higher than 100 only have about 1.5 billion people within them and their average is only slightly higher compared to the countries that have an average significantly lower. For example, India with its 1 billion people is on there at an average of 82.

        The math doesn’t add up for an average global human. I think we need to know more about how the scores in the study are calculated.

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    Iirc the show Where in the World is Carmon Sandiego was created by the government of the US because something like half of US Americans couldn’t identify the Pacific Ocean on a map.

    Edit: it was 25%

    The show was created partially in response to the results of a National Geographic survey indicating little knowledge of geography among some of the American populace, with one in four being unable to locate the Soviet Union or the Pacific Ocean.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_in_the_World_Is_Carmen_Sandiego%3F_(game_show)

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      LPT. If you know any new parents, one of the best gifts is a world map for the baby’s room. Teach them colors and shapes when they are little; then numbers and letters; finally history and politics.

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        Like, that’s the biggest ocean and biggest country in the world. I wonder how many in the 75% just randomly pointed at blue and got lucky at identifying the Pacific Ocean.

        The actual number of people who didn’t know where is the Pacific Ocean must be higher, because of the ones who guessed and got lucky.

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    These national tests are yeesh material tho. Subtle, or not so subtle, at least tangential to, eugenicist or nationalistic ideals.