• Commiunism@lemmy.wtf
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    1 month ago

    No surprises there - Germany is one of the most supportive countries of Israel, the amount of shit that they pull against pro-Palestine protesters is just sad to read about.

    I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.

    • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It’s not a good environment to protest.

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        German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.

    • superkret@feddit.org
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      1 month ago

      It’s sad, but also makes me really angry, that “pro Palestine” and “supporting Israel” are now seen as polar opposites.
      Also, the ongoing war is in no way connected to the 1940’s Holocaust, apart from the obvious “they’re both unspeakably horrible”.

      • B312@lemmy.world
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        The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.

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        Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They’re fundamentally incompatible.

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          … What? There are fully integrated Palestinians living in Israel right now, they could just integrate them or let them establish their own self rule in one form or another

          All it takes is to improve conditions and slowly increase rights for Palestinians until they’re full citizens. Probably start by making it illegal to mow them down in the streets. If you cut off the flow of new recruits, Hamas will wither. If conditions are rapidly improving, it’s hard to convince people to martyr themselves

          And Israel could do that… Just not with an unpopular administration that is using this conflict to stay in power

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            Netanyahu’s administration has support from the majority of the population, and has only lost some support due to not eliminating Gaza fast enough. There is no world where the fascist imperialist settler colony of Israel exists while free Palestinians exist. The people of Israel have made that clear, not the administration.