• thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    47·
    6 days ago

    My banking app won’t work if I’m rooted and before that when I had developer mode on it wouldn’t work. Just gave me a error so I have the login to Firefox each time. I hate apps that block you because they can’t track you anymore

    • kipo@lemm.eeEnglish
      28·
      6 days ago

      Banks that do this are just ignorant and hypocritical. Those same banks will let you log in from a web browser on the phone that is just as (un)likely to be compromised or from a desktop computer where you also have admin rights.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          33·
          6 days ago

          There is no additional security to be gained by a random megacorp that has leaks every other month “attesting” that I can use my things well.

          And Google didn’t add attestation to make sure my bank details are safe, it did it as part of a concerted effort from the industry to make sure I am not able to make my computer work as I want it to work and run code I want it to run. Google does not care about bank fraud as long as it doesn’t affect its stock price.

    • BakedCatboy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      I changed banks partially because of this. Ally bank would fake a “couldn’t connect” error on the first 2 attempts and then succeed on the 3rd attempt. I switched to aspiration bank and their app works perfectly fine.

    • psud@aussie.zone
      2·
      5 days ago

      My bank apps (three different Australian ones) are fine with developer mode, but not root, and not unlocked bootloaders

      They block you because the phone can’t “guarantee” it’s not corrupted. Theoretically it’s for your protection as an unlocked bootloader means there’s no local security, you may have used root to install something that breaks their security model

      I understand that side loaded apps can also reduce your device integrity score

  • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
    48·
    6 days ago

    Don’t forget the part where the preinstalled OS forces you to accept the Google ToS. You just spent a few hundred bucks on a new phone and then it won’t let you use it without also selling your soul.

  • fum@lemmy.world
    20·
    6 days ago

    This, except install LineageOS and don’t bother with removing google/Samsung stuff. And skip whatsapp as my older contacts email me and younger ones have moved to Signal

  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world
    22·
    6 days ago
    • There was a problem initializing your phone, contact customer service.
    • Customer service flash restores everything back to the way it was in the box.
    • loutr@sh.itjust.works
      152·
      6 days ago

      I would skip the WhatsApp. It’s trash. Fight me hundreds of million people for whom WhatsApp is the de facto standard for instant messaging and calls.

      FTFY. I was in Bali this summer, everyone uses WhatsApp. Spent three days in an upscale hotel, on the check-in form they specifically ask for your WhatsApp number, which they use for everything: room service, special requests, restaurant and spa bookings, …

  • drathvedro@lemm.ee
    135·
    5 days ago

    Install WhatsApp

    That’s when you lost me. Either teach your boomer relatives to use Signal, Matrix, or, at the very least, Telegram. Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.

    • kandoh@reddthat.com
      6·
      5 days ago

      If your friends and family are willing to use those apps over WhatsApp than they love you in a way I don’t really believe is possible.

    • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
      5·
      5 days ago

      Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.

      I just hire a rando guy from a different country to become me on Facebook. Then I have them email screenshots to a different email. A separate person gets those emails and prints them out. They mail it to a PO box, which gets picked up by a whole different person. The handoff happens at 615pm at the subway on Broadway Ave.

      I open the handoff. It’s pictures of my niece celebrating her 6th birthday. I give the guy a thumbs up. He takes that thumbs up, translates it back to paper and reverses the whole process.

      It takes 6 weeks for me to respond. But that’s the price of security.

    • hansolo@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      5 days ago

      As someone that lives outside the US, this is not a real friction point.

      What do you think all the rest of the Boomers in the world do?

    • Victor@lemmy.world
      43·
      5 days ago

      What’s wrong with WhatsApp? Honest question. They are E2E encrypted just like Signal, right? Better than Telegram, which isn’t in normal chats.

      • drathvedro@lemm.ee
        102·
        5 days ago

        • It’s Facebook

        • It didn’t work on PC until very recently

        • It’s closed as fuck source. They went as far as sending cease and desists to third party client developers.

        • It’s tied down to phone number and shares it with everyone you talk to

        • It’s bolted down to gdrive

        • Only boomers use it to send trashy GIFs to each other

        That’s about all I have, but I’ve never actually used it. Maybe someone else could chime in with more reasons, but for me those are already enough to stay away from it as far as possible.

        • Tja@programming.dev
          5·
          5 days ago

          Last point isn’t true unfortunately. My late 20s to mid 30s coworkers use it almost exclusively, as well as most of my customers, and even some businesses (AirBnB, airlines)

        • psud@aussie.zone
          4·
          5 days ago

          I got my family’s chat onto signal as neither I nor my partner have Facebook accounts and they were using messenger

          I deleted my old Facebook account to bring that situation about, though

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
          41·
          5 days ago

          And then you get to Europe and notice that it’s used by literally everyone… :)

          • drathvedro@lemm.ee
            1·
            5 days ago

            In Russia, too. When I need them I just call them and pretend to be ultra-Z-patriot and do my best to be extra annoying while complaining about them using an illegal app made by a designated extremist organization. Works well enough for them to at least offer another option.

        • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          5 days ago

          It didn’t work on PC until very recently

          Wrong. It had an official webapp since forever.

          • drathvedro@lemm.ee
            1·
            5 days ago

            Wrong. The webapp was (still is?) just a glorified remote to a phone app, and would cease to function if you turn off the phone.

              • drathvedro@lemm.ee
                1·
                5 days ago

                The same reason as… say, you can’t say Gran Turismo works on PC, even though its compatible with PlayStation’s remote play.

                And I don’t buy the E2EE argument. It’s not impossible to have multiple “ends” on each side e2e. Heck, they’ve done it themselves… In 2022. Given their track record, I’d suspect they’re just doing something shady in the app and are being overly protective because of it.

                • Victor@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  5 days ago

                  But we’re not seeing some screen sharing of the android app. We’re seeing a completely separate web app, running in the browser. The only difference is from where it is syncing its messages. It’s a real web app.

                  And it works this way because chats are only stored on a single “main” device. Then they sync to connected peripheral clients as needed. I think that’s a good thing, to be honest. I don’t see that as a negative thing. It’s not stored on any server (I assume(?), due to the current behavior), which is nice.

  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
    15·
    6 days ago

    Sadly, if i flash my phone, i can’t use certain critical services, such as banking. Since my bank has only two locations–total–and is only open when i’m at work, that’s a problem.

      • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
        6·
        6 days ago

        You can’t do things like deposit checks with their web version. You also can’t do any kind of deposit at their ATMs (…of which there are two, total). So I’m stuck using their app -or- taking time off work if I need to make a deposit.

        I need four phones at this point. One personal phone, one that i can use for shit like e-coupons and signing up for Ali Baba, one stock phone for secure banking, and a burner dumb phone that I can keep powered off and in a Ramsey Test RF-proof container until I really, really need it.

  • jaschen@lemm.ee
    75·
    5 days ago

    This is great if all you want is a dumb phone. Or you’re perfectly ok without all the things that make your phone smart. Check the balance on your banking app? Nope. Venmo a buddy because your buddy is spotting you? Nope. Chat with your friends or family where they are, not forcing them to use another app they don’t want? Nope.

    I think everyone should be picky with what they are comfortable using on their smart phones.

    Unless you’re some kind of tin foil hat person or have a specific phone use case or a criminal or terrorist, there isn’t many reasons to root your phone.