Edit: A little bit of a cathartic rant to people who will understand lol. I love you all. <3
Echo chamber or not, I’m happy to finally be back on Lemmy and see some damn community positivity about Linux for a change. It isn’t perfect but it’s beautiful and it’s worth it and it’s ours.
It’s a resistance instrument over ever-entitled, creeping corporate control over our lives, it’s not “better Windows”, it’s just better.
I just got super bummed out reading a bunch of those bizarre “Normal people can’t be bothered and it doesn’t instantly just work with a single button push so it’s too complicated and everyone will hate it forever.” Tirades… You know the ones…
The kicker… That was after I stumbled from an unrelated link into /r/linux !!, when someone was asking how to help people not be “so scared” to try Linux.
Huge, angry posts about how it can’t stand up to proprietary capital-ware, and asking users to click a button or type a word “is just too much.” It’s freaking sad.
I dunno if the reddit brigading just got super bad or they’re all self-loathing over there. But it was weird. And bitter.
I’m happy with our operating-system punk movement, where we invite artists and gamers and coders and family members to learn something and have their computing experience back, since we can’t go back to the 00’s when computing was an activity and the Internet was a place.
The servile corporate wageslaves who disregard their rights and throw a fit whenever they need to troubleshoot something, can keep their bloated service-appliances and their self righteous corpo-simp attitudes, whilst loudly announcing “tHe DeSkToP iS dYiNg” and “aNdRoiD iS LiNuX.” They can keep it.
Meanwhile we welcome the curious, and the seeking, and those wanting something more.
I don’t care if we’ll never get “critical mass adoption.” Part of me hopes I never see Linux getting talked about in mainstream TV news or something, because that’s when the grifters will descend like vultures and corporations and states will be wanting a piece of it.
But hey I’ll gladly take the time to help someone discover it and enjoy it as much as possible so it can be even greater than it is today. I’ll gladly release my work to be Linux compatible and donate to software that changes my life for the better every day.
I’ll gladly troubleshoot a little, and be patient, and donate when I can, and report bugs, and share what I’ve learned. Because we’re in this community together, and Open Source belongs to all of us, and you’re doing a great job.
I’m more of a proponent for running some Linux distro for my main OS and then virtualizing Windows if desired for things that are broken in WINE/Proton somehow but work fine in Windows, at this point.
I don’t trust Windows enough to run it baremetal in a dual-boot anymore though, virtualization at least isolates it from the host where it counts, where in a dual-boot, even if it generally doesn’t happen, there’s still the looming threat of Windows screwing up the Linux install somehow, where that isn’t a problem when virtualizing since, as I said, it’s isolated where it counts, even if paravirtualization is a thing for storage drivers and networking and the like, and hardware passthrough is a thing for things like GPUs.
The servile corporate wageslaves who disregard their rights and throw a fit whenever they need to troubleshoot something,
This is what drives me fucking nuts. Somehow everyone seems to forget that they are constantly troubleshooting “the computer” for the people that they would have to troubleshoot “Linux” for. And why is that such a complaint? After all:
and asking users to click a button or type a word “is just too much.” It’s freaking sad.
Nobody who has had to deal with computers has gotten away from going through some esoteric help website with commands like “win+R,” then “sysinfo” or “regex” or whatever, clicking through a five layer deep directory, and changing something. Alternatively, you might have been forced to uninstall a driver and reinstall an older version, or update bios with a usb. The only difference with linux is the instructions you’ll be following will be for a terminal line, MAYBE. Just as an example of what you’ll find if you’re searching for help with linux. They have instructions for if you have no earthly idea what you’re doing. No one can tell me that you had that much hand holding when you were having to figure out why the hell the windows update wouldn’t install without giving you a bluescreen of death.
Sure it can’t be uninstalled, but that’s no big deal. Just go to Settings and turn it off.
Of course, software needs to update, so it might get turned back on occasionally. Just go turn it off again.
And all the other stuff you turn off. Every time.
There’s still the odd game that’s somehow broken in WINE that isn’t broken by anticheat or DRM, but by just being crusty code, but those edge cases will do fine in a Windows VM /w a spare GPU being passed through to it.
Anything that uses kernel anticheat, so basically any modern multiplayer title, is platform-locked into a baremetal Windows install, but since I have no interest whatsoever in modern multiplayer titles and thus no interest in anything with a kernel anticheat, I can do just fine virtualizing Windows in that scenario while using a Linux host for everything else.
(which, Soulbringer, one of my previous edge-case titles, works great in Proton /w dxwrapper+DXVK, but Civ3’s audio is still broken in Proton even if C3X fixes the graphics, so that’s still being ran in a Windows VM, which I currently have Win11 LTSC running in a VM /w my Vega 56 being passed through to it for just that very purpose, while I’m using an RX 6600 for my host card)
As for apps like Maya, Blender is actually competitive with it nowadays.
As an addendum relating to modern multiplayer titles, those are the few titles where it would make more sense to play them on console instead of PC anyways since the way in which they’re locked down goes against PC’s main selling point: the fact that you actually own your system to a degree where the consoles are effectively locked into the PS, Xbox, or Nintendo walled garden.
I’ve read that modding many games is a total bitch-and-a-half on Linux, too. No idea if that’s true or not, but still. I’m a sicker for fuckin’ with games and if stuff breaks on Linux that works fine on windows, that’s a problem.
That depends, the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games are easily modded regardless of OS, and I’ve had good luck with HedgeModManager too for Sonic Generations, and even for Civ3, C3X fixes the black map bug however I haven’t found a good fix for the crackling and popping audio.
Y’all, for real, I was on Windows for gaming. Gaming on Linux really does seem to “just work” now. I’m using CachyOS. It just works. The only tweak I had to do was to tell Helldivers 2 to use the vanilla version of Proton instead of Cachy’s version. So literally if I was on a more traditional distribution I’d have to do less.
All the games I play regularly worked with zero configuration. I can count on one hand the number of times I had to tweak something to get a game running. Gaming on Linux is amazing these days.
However, there are a few popular games still broken. I don’t do online competitive, so this doesn’t impact me.
I was absolutely amazed that the new Overwatch game (Marvel Rivals) ran out of the box with GloriousEggroll v23. Kind of a wild sentence.
Same! I thought I wouldn’t be able to play any competitive PVP games!
Mostly you can’t, glad that one runs!
The issue though usually (just for clarity’s sake) isn’t that the games don’t run, usually they’d still run fine, but the DRM is often kernel level and nobody on linux wants that, or the DRM just doesn’t work on linux (fault of DRM company), or everything works but they’ll still ban your acct for playing on linux because fuck you (looking at you Destiny).
The things that don’t run now aren’t usually linux’s fault, it’s the company/DRM every time.
This year totally is the year of Linux, guys!
Trust me!
Don’t need it to be the year of the Linux desktop for me to switch to use it myself.
year +1
The only way Linux ever becomes viable for the mainstream is when there is a single distribution that covers every feature and is as streamlined and user friendly as possible.
- No command lines ever for anything
- huge software compatibility
- hardware compatibility of the newest and oldest of hardware
- easy troubleshooting even your nan can follow
- and most of all: every Linux user agrees it is the best Linux distribution (unless you are into niche stuff)
So until even you guys can agree on one distribution being the best, it will not be the year of the Linux ever.–
Does this apply to Windows as well? Haha
For Linux to go mainstream is simple. Have Linux be default on every computer sold in stores.
Something like 99% of people who go to a store and buy a laptop, does so because they need a device to access their online bank or watch funny videos on YouTube. Maybe check their mail and open a PDF or two.
I think it doesn’t occur to most people to even consider what OS to use on a computer. They just use the computer.
It seems like what you want is a tablet.
Disclaimer: when I say “bullshit”, I do not mean “you are brainless fool”, I only mean “this idea is so ridiculously wrong it is time we put it to rest at last”
No command lines ever for anything
This annoys me so much I literally registered to answer: bullshit. Stop with that strawman, will ya all, Linux enthusiasts
easy troubleshooting even your nan can follow
Same level bullshit. Watch win (and mac?) being hell to debug
every Linux user agrees it is the best Linux distribution
Bullshit. See Win XP times with many custom-made “flavours”. That did nothing to make windows less popular
when there is a single distribution
Bullshit number one. Linux will become major thing as a result of people pushing back against corporate wall-gardening and spying and/or when it starts coming pre-installed (see Android phones for the latter). All the scary-command-line whining is just elitist bullshit
Hell people still argue about the best version of Windows lol (I miss XP and 7) people will never agree on a single Linux distro
It’s like saying “Nobody will ever buy a vacuum until we can decide if Dyson or Bissel are better” lmao.
I was going to make a crack about you inventing MacOSX, which is at least “Linux adjacent”, but I don’t know how to work without a command line on either Windows or Mac. Some functionality is just so much more inconvenient or even impossible through the GUI, even on those
I always find the command line argument to be a bit of an odd thing too. If you Google any weird Windows error, I can almost guarantee you will find a Microsoft forums result with someone saying to run
sfc /scannow(or a DISM command).What I think it really comes down to is that people are used to troubleshooting Windows stuff that they forget they’re having to do it. Then some will say that “Windows doesn’t need troubleshooting” which is pure crap unless maybe all you do is login and open Chrome - which Linux can do that perfectly fine too.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care all that much about what OS other people use (use the best tool for the job and all that). I’m not going to be using their PC, but I do get a bit aggravated when people seem to go out of their way to make it look like Linux is still the same ecosystem it was in the '00s.
So, Ubuntu 10+ years ago? For normie usage you don’t need to worry about any of those things. It comes with firefox.
I worked in a PC repair shop until a few years ago. Most people didn’t want to buy MS office. Most of what they did is in a web browser. But most people that came in to buy a boot USB wanted a windows one rather than Linux, either way I just copied what ever ISO they wanted to it. Copy/paste doesn’t cost anything.
if the best time to switch is always today then if i put it off till tomorrow it will be even better right?
no you would miss a day
the best time to switch to linux is a few years ago.
the second best time is now.
I switched a few years ago, and recently spun up a secondary Windows install because I was planning on checking out Game Pass. I couldn’t make it more than a couple hours, Windows 11 is a hot mess now and it felt really gross to see all the ads everywhere. Even the login screen isn’t free of them anymore!
I honestly don’t know how people use that shit, I wouldn’t force it on somebody I hated.
It is actually quite bad to use. If for whatever reason I needed a commercial OS I’d have to use MacOS at this stage.
Microsoft has really dropped the ball in terms of quality.
Just switched from windows to arch with KDE Plasma on my laptop and I have been experiencing so much joy playing with all the wonderful FOSS I never even knew about
My Surface Pro 7 was perma nagging me about going to W11. Screw it, just installed LMDE 2 days ago, chose Mint Debian Edition as I use it on my desktop for the last 13 months.
nice bro i used lmde for a month it was very good
goodjob bro i use arch but with gnome i used it with kde for a lot of times but now im using gnome
I’m still waiting for one of two things to happen:
- Windows 10 EoS
- Steam OS 3 official support for PC
Going to 100% Linux (currently dual boot for da gamez) within 24h hours from that happening
I also did dual boot for ‘da gamez’… but then found that I’ve never had to boot into Windows for any game whatsoever. It’s been a few years now. So apparently I didn’t need dual boot after all.
If you want Steam OS on a desktop, install Bazzite. It’s the closest your going to get and it’s great.
Bookmarking this in case I’ll need it in 8 months
Neither of those is going to happen…
What do you expect from SteamOS 3?
From the system itself - stability and compatibility with my peripherals
I know that Proton is the thing allowing games to run smoothly on Linux, but the fact it’s an OS made specifically for gaming, used on a pretty popular handheld will give the devs more incentive to make their stuff well out of the box
Kinda same. Using windows only for League of Legends. Yes, I am hooked on that. Best thing I can do is find other games to take up some time. I just installed ZenlessZoneZero via sleepy launcher yesterday on my Mint install. Time to dive into those gachas!
I’ve switched to DOTA 2 after the infamous butterfly trailer, which was about 2 years ago. I like it more than League now, though it’s a shame DOTA doesn’t have 2500MS Singed equivalent. To be fair, Primal Beast and Centaur Warrunner can get close, but nowhere near poisoning the whole teamfight and running away before anyone can process what has happened.
I’m at about 19 years since switching - MS reaffirms my decision for me each and every year.
This is why I use linux!
Yeah, but then someone does the same with systemd, am I right?
/ducks and runs
noice
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@mugdad1 @gandalf_der_12te,
at the very least, it seems to me that the height of the picture in header is too high. I think that height enough:Getting an SSL protocol error on that link.
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True every single day
Can’t recommend it enough! I’ve tried Linux distros in the past but always found that there were hardware issues or certain programs didn’t work. Not to mention I essentially had to give up gaming. Linux was cool but I just couldn’t use it as my daily driver.
I switched to Pop!_OS last month and I’ve been blown away. The install was simple and straightforward and the only hardware that required special config was my gaming mouse that needed “libratbag” and “piper” to remap the extra buttons and adjust the RGB.
Other than that, all the programs I normally use like Discord, Dropbox, Steam, and every game I’ve tested so far work flawlessly. I don’t feel like I’m missing anything or had to give up something like I did before. I actually feel like I’ve upgraded since I’m loving the auto tiling window manager and multiple desktops that Pop!_OS has as options.
I skimmed an article on enshittification yesterday
It mentioned Windows
Can something be enshittified if it was shit from the start?
It wasn’t shit from the start though, was it.
Back when Windows 95 was a new thing it blew everything else out of the water. Suddenly there was an operating system that even regular people were paying attention to and getting excited about, and it actually deserved the hype.
Windows was a product at that time, where Microsoft made their money by people purchasing the operating system. And so the incentive was to make a great product that people wanted to buy and use.
This was true all the way through the Windows XP and 7 days, and only with the release of 8 and especially 10 did we start to see things change.
Microsoft - who used to put so much effort into trying to prevent people installing cracked Windows - suddenly didn’t seem to care so much anymore about enforcing that. They’d realised that the true exploitable value was in the online ecosystem and the data, not the product, and that was the turning point for everything.
You make a very good point and are clearly a lot more knowledgeable than me.
I’m going to rephrase. Windows 11 was shitty from the start. I can defend that statement, which we both agree with, to save my ego from internal bleeding.
They keep adding shitty things to it.
I agree, 11 definitely was shitty from the beginning.
With 11 Microsoft are not even attempting to “sell” the operating system anymore, but instead are dragging people to it kicking and screaming, while they desperately try to cling to Windows 10.
Tells you everything you need to know about whether it’s the consumer or Microsoft who are on the winning side of that “upgrade”.
Joke’s on you Microsoft, I had already switched to Linux at the time.
