The main thing I’m learning from this thread is that a surprising number of people don’t shut their machines down when they’re done using them. Which is wild to me.
A lot of modern windows laptop don’t let you shut them down.
They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.
Thankfully it can be disabled via AD policy.
Shouldn’t have to use fucking group policy just to stop your machine updating at inopportune times. Fucking Windows.
Ah yeah I forgot about hybrid sleep as I turned if off years ago and forgot it existed. Such a nonsense feature.
You dont need to use group policy.
Admin console: powercfg.exe /hibernate off
Now its off. Hybrid sleep is just a faster Hibernate.
Or just turn off fast Startup in the power settings.
I meant that you can thankfully disable it with group policy so that the 3000 laptops I manage at work don’t all cook in backpacks every day.
I’ve been out of the GPO game for a while, but I’ve never heard of widespread issues with laptops waking up even if their lids are closed. Did this start with Windows 11?
Yeah it started sometime in 2022. Though also for Windows 10.
It also has some hardware requirements, so most older laptops wouldn’t have the issue.
is that not on by default for every windows installation?
The only reason why my uptime is only a month is because I took my PC with me on a work trip which involved packing it.
As someone who knows how to manage the power and update settings in Windows to prevent this from happening, I am learning that Linux users may not understand how to actually configure Windows to their liking. Which is wild to me.
Sign in states for tokens expire when you power cycle. If you’re in IT or moving between classes, not only would you have to wait for power down and power on each stop you make,you’d also need to sign into every tool you use that requires credentials. I work as a field tech for an MSP. If I had to shut down at the end of each stop and boot back up then I’d have to spend 20-30 minutes signing back into my RMM, ticket system, azure portal, knowledge base etc on top of the site specific stuff I’m already going to have to sign into for that stop. Sleep great. Just disable S0 sleep.
That’s ass. Your bosses should be moving away from that shitty software
Shitty software? The software is great. It sucks that we live in a world that needs MFA to be secure. I also don’t think any software exists in the IT space that doesn’t require some sign in. Every RMM on the planet is going to require secure sign on and so will every knowledge base software. You also need to sign in to access things like domain DNS. Most of my job is locked behind half a dozen sign ins. That’s how it goes for MSPs anything else would be unsecure.
When I got my first (and only) PC, it was outright SUGGESTED to never power it down. By HP. So yeah I just sleep my computer, and yes I have to deal with the bullshit in the meme lol
Always wondered why the fuck my PC is awake before I even touch it.
No point. Sleep works great and live updates are flawless.
me too. i see no reason not to shut it down, unless boot time takes way too long (you dont have an ssd), you use windows (always takes too long), or you have a bunch of apps open and don’t want to lose the workflow.
though i just have to shutdown anyway because my pc is right under a couple of roof leaks and it might rain while i’m sleeping or not at home
honest question, because i use windows and i shut down every day. is 20 seconds really “too long” for a full boot up?
I think a lot of people are still stuck in the HDD days where windows could take 15-20 mins for a cold boot.
But I only sleep windows because I like to get game updates while I sleep.
boot hardly takes any time at all. it’s all the programs on the computer that take forever to start.
Ctrl shift esc. Turn off start on boot up programs that you don’t want to start.
… that just means your computer is useless when you start it up. And anyway I’m talking about things like your browser with previous tabs or your IDE.
I sit do that either lmao. My browser loads just the home page after closing
no, i was joking about the windows part there
i’d say too long is 1 minute or more
Look, I used to work with computers that would take 5 minutes to turn on. I’m done waiting for computers to boot, I want it to take the least time it can. If hibernation takes just 1 second off, I’m gonna use it.
To be fair I don’t always use it like that but suspend is convenient if I have a continuous work that is scattered all around.
what i’d day is “always turn off your computer when you’re done using it”, meaning you sleep it when you have work you don’t want to lose.
That’s what sleep is for. Just lock Gnome and let the computer sleep in a sensible amount of time. Instant on when you need.
Linux users when their computer won’t boot because they fucked up their grub config again: (Totally not me)
I’m always so amused when people are like “Uhm, actually, when you shutdown your PC it’s not turned off, it’s sleeping so it ca…” - Bro, no. sudo poweroff. It’s off. Completely off. In fact, it would be hella annoying and fucking useless to configure sleeping.
Suspend on Linux just works as well. The PC will sleep until the user wakes it up.
Depends on which suspend tho. iirc there’s one system that’s forcefully being discontinued by big corpo, while the replacement is still very buggy everywhere.
Hmm, do you remember which one was it? Personally I never had problems with
systemctl suspendorloginctl suspend.Found it. AW article
It’s called S0ix/Modern Standby/s2idle. It was designed to replace S3, but not only is it shit on Winshit and kekOS, it’s also very unreliable on Linux in my experience. The true issue it that manufacturers started to discontinue S3 (so shallow/standby and deep/s2ram) in favor of s2idle. You can check which actions are theoretically possible in the kernel docs, and check which are supported on your system (and enabled) by cat-ing /sys/power/mem_sleep. That’s what systemctl suspend chooses. My PC and Server still have deep, but my Laptop already only has s2idle.
Thanks for the Arch Wiki article, really informative! It seems I have both s2idle and deep.
“My PC” was even replaced with “this PC” since Windows 11, which feels almost too symbolic…
My ex had one of them RGB everything rainbow gamer PCs.
Windows would auto boot to update in the middle of the night and turn the whole apartment into a rave…
damn, that sucks
also because that’s the only thing about that ex i know, the only conclusion i can make is that you stopped dating because of random middle of the night RGB raves
I have a gaming machine with no crazy RGBs, but the video card has a loud fan when at maximum. Most of the time it isn’t at maximum. When using the desktop it’s nice and quiet. When gaming it depends on the game, but mostly it’s not too loud. But. BUT! When it first turns on, the fans go to max for a second or two. I was woken up more than once by Windows deciding it needed to turn my PC on to install an update, and the fans screaming for a second as it booted.
I eventually found a setting that disabled that behaviour, but Microsoft made it so incredibly hard. Now that that machine is almost 100% Linux I never have to worry about that.
Just flip the switch on the back of the power supply after shutting down the computer or turn off the UPS.
Windows does not wake up from “hibernation” to do “updates”. What it really does is sleep walk during S0 sleep (aka Modern Standby) to check for updates, slowly draining your battery. Classic hibernation is not available while S0 sleep is supported by the BIOS.
Mac is also guilty of this.
What it really does is sleep walk during S0 sleep (aka Modern Standby) to check for updates, slowly draining your battery
More importantly, telling Windows to shut down doesn’t really shut it down, it puts it to sleep.
I’m bottom even when I used windows because I turn it the hell off when I’m not using my computer.
Yes. Same with my TV and everything.
isn’t the joke in the bottom that the pc and you are both sleeping tho
this meme is especially true for students and the likes 😂 whenever you share a one-room flat with a laptop made by clueless techbros for clueless techbros, the increased fan whirring really shines.
fun story, i almost went crazy for troubleshooting why my desktop (mint cinnamon) often wouldn’t autosuspend or even turn off the monitor.
after a good half a year it turned out to be three different issues. autosuspend and monitor were two separate issues in cinnamon that i found a workaround for, and i also found out from the log that something wakes it up every now and then. at first i thought my cats stomp on the keyboard, but they avoid touching it. what actually happens is that when my other cat hops off my chair, static electricity wakes the pc up…
that is crazy what
Nope. My Linux Mint randomly wakes up from sleep mode all the time. It’s just a bug. Tried to fix it, never found solution. I guess I am fine with it. Well. Not really. Help me if you can!!11!!
My first guess world be unplug your mouse and keyboard and see if it still happens. Your mouse or keyboard could be sending phantom inputs sometimes. If it’s a laptop maybe not though or you’d have to test it another way at least. But it’s the first thing I’d do.
Apparently you can see which devices can wake your PC with
cat /proc/acpi/wakeup. S3 should be sleep and S4 hibernation. Though I have no idea which device is which.
🤭and sometimes, if you wake your linux things go to shit and all you see is black screen and white mouse on it
Sometimes super+ctrl+alt+F8 saves me and I can restart PC from TTY, and sometimes, there is only a flashing cursor. In second case, I have to take hard measures and forcefully manually restart it
(Yes nvidia card with latest proprietary driver and kde on wayland) -> everything latest meaning from endeavour/arch/aur repos.
Nvidia users having to shutdown anyway because the computer will hang when trying to put it to sleep:
It didn’t hang up for me on Linux; though I had to disable sleep anyways since after waking up it seemed like every frame had an error and was logging said error into a growing 500 GB syslog
Why is this true 😭
Did anyone else ever notice that Windows’s enshittification really took off around the same time they renamed “My PC” to “This PC” ?
Always seemed like it was a subtle indicator they no longer considered it your personal computer but rather one they so graciously allow you to use once in a while.
Sus timing, though it’s certainly just branding.
The whole “My-” prefix for “My Documents” and “My Computer” and all that is something that was around since the 90s, and really served to emphasise the “Personal” in “Personal Computer” at a time when PCs were coming into the home for the first time.
Nowadays that branding is really unnecessary and feels pretty antiquated too, especially in an era where most stuff for most people is online, and the emphasis is more on connected seamless stuff rather than a cute little folder to put your things in.
Our computer.
Their computer. You’re just a user.
You should factor in that nowadays it is fairly normal for a single person to have multiple computers, so “My PC” is not specific enough anymore.
Windows would always wake from hibernation/suspension by itself after 2 or 3 hours. Truly a feature, not a bug
