Weird hill to die on perhaps; but I’ll never forgive Microsoft for arbitrarily deciding to not support my Core i7 6700K 4Ghz CPU on Windows 11.
Simply because: I cannot find a single actual technical reason why it wouldn’t be compatible (yes, my mobo also has TPM). It’s even higher specced than many other ‘supported’ chips.
MS apparently just decided I hadn’t spent enough money lately. Well now I won’t - on your products - ever again, while this i7 will continue to run Win 10 for games and Linux for all else.
Gaming is great on Linux nowadays btw. I installed Fedora a few weeks ago and haven’t had a single problem with any of my games - I’m getting better framerates, too.
Any reason you went with fedora? I’ve been partial to fedora for a decade, but last I knew it wasn’t recommended for a daily driver given the upstream fuckery from redhat.
Asking cuz I’m about two weeks from kicking win10 in the dick and moving to alma or something.
I’m actually using Nobara, but it’s not very popular so I just say Fedora in day-to-day conversation. From my understanding, Fedora-based distros play better with Nvidia GPUs.
Best of luck to you my friend. Like I said, fedora was my go-to for years, and I regularly fought against the Nvidia drivers and kept going back to windows.
I’m running AMD now, so I’m hoping my experience is better than it was when I was using nvidia
If you’re into gaming, Bazzite is based on Fedora (SilverBlue, so immutable), and it works amazingly for gaming and everything else.
It was my first experience with anything Fedora after coming from Arch, and I have to say that I’m pleased.
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You’re also describing what happens on Windows. Gaming on PC requires some tinkering and knowledge. If you want to turn a machine on, install a game and play it you’ll buy a gaming console.
Regarding Mumble, Zerotier and XLink Kai, sorry to read that. Hopefully there’ll be something in their docs that help you or other alternatives you can switch to. Deep Rock Galactic can be a bit of a resource hog, but there’s probably a solution for that too. Have you used the latest community recommendations on it’s ProtonDB page? https://www.protondb.com/app/548430?device=pc
Three consecutive replies because of an app I’m testing. Sorry about that.
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Any good step by step explainers nowadays? Been over a decade sinceI set my last Linux machine up for a friend, and have been thinking about trying one for a Jellyfish server.
Knowing that my gaming PC could get a few extra frames might intrruige me into performing the upgrade there too if the jellyfish machine goes well.
Most distros have a great getting started guide.
If you have an Nvidia card, make sure you’re looking at distros with Nvidia support and are using the correct installer version for Nvidia support.
Some great distros to look into with above in mind:
- PopOS
- Ubuntu: Nvidia requires a few additional terminal commands unfortunately.
- Mint
- Fedora
- A handful of others that I’m sure you’ve seen mentioned
Also avoid Arch linux unless you’re ready to dive into the deep end of linux. As much as I thing it’s a great distro, and abstracts away a lot of the difficulties or Arch, Garuda Linux, should probabaly be avoided as well until you’re more comfortable with Linux due to its Arch roots (even if the docs are robust, they dive deep on tech concepts and require tons of requisite knowledge).
Awesome, that’s some great leads especially with a Nvidia card.
I’ll try and pick the easiest one without any grub work, I faintly remember my old school courses and have a faint reminder of hearing about grub. Didn’t sound like something to touch without the knowhow, Ill be careful.
Thanks!
I can help you through a fedora install, I just did it for the first two times myself. If you want to dual boot, it’s easiest to have windows set up first too, so you’re in good shape for that
Might take you up on that in a couple of months if I don’t feel like destroying the old gaming PC hahaha
That’s what’s nice about dual booting! You can add a hard drive and use both! Easy to set up so you can choose to launch windows or Linux when it boots up! Gives you the opportunity to play around and get a feel for it without giving up your tried and tested setup!
I’m in a similar boat. My computer meets all of the other requirements like TPM and whatnot, yet they are arbitrarily deciding that my processor is too old. And for some reason you can walk into your local computer store and buy a laptop with the shittiest processor and other specs possible that somehow runs Windows 11. Just because the processor on the new shitbox was manufactured more recently. Ridiculous.
I have that same issue. My older laptop barely misses the cutoff, even though everything meets the requirements except the cpu. I have a newer laptop with Win11, and the old one runs circles around it. It’s faster and has way more RAM, yet somehow won’t run 11? I’m going to keep it and just run Linux instead. I’ll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office and keeping papers from blowing off my desk.
I have Linux on a jumpdrive can I install it on my main drive without it effecting my other drives?
I think so?
I mean, what do you expect them to say?
“Time to install Linux, here’s how you chose a kernel:”
If I was responsible I’d learn about that stuff now but that sounds like an October 13 problem tbh
What is October 13, besides being the day before my birthday?
Oct 14 is last day of support for security updates without paying extra.
Oct 15 will be the day of Linux for sure
Instructions unclear, now I’m using the Windows terminal to launch Ubuntu and also have it running in Hyper-V. How does that help me if my windows is out of support? /s
On the one hand, rare Microsoft w to help users transition to their competitor.
On the other, they kinda yadda yadda over probably the biggest and most important part: choosing which of the billion distros is best for your needs and preferences…
The distro choice isn’t that difficult, as if you have experience with Linux you know what you need, and if you don’t, just choose any beginner-friendly distro (probably Ubuntu flavors and Mint).
It would be funny if they struck a deal with Canonical to start offering an upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 using some of the same dark patterns they use with Windows 11
Time to encourage people to switch to Linux instead
I can’t get the more elaborate functions of my common Logitech mouse to work properly. And Linux systems like to cause my computer to periodically hang for some reason. In Windows, it used to BSOD, and I managed to fix the issue in Windows but it seems impossible for me to fix in Linux because of how vague of an issue it is.
If Linux had more support for games I would
I’ve been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.
The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.
When’s the last time you tried?
I’ve been gaming on bazzite and haven’t found a game that doesn’t work. Haven’t had to touch a command line or anything, everything has been stable out of the box
How about Valorant? Its basically the only game (+ rainbow six siege / PUBG potentially, idk if these work) blocking me from switching. I know all my other games will work without issue cause they run on my steam deck as well.
EA’s fancy new kernel level anti-cheat is plaguing battlefield games. Also Rockstar broke GTA:O with their Anti-cheat (even though the Anti-cheat they use supports Linux)
The issue is that the Linux playerbase is so small, but its a self fulfilling prophecy. Players don’t play on Linux cause of the issues and the issues are there cause there are not enough players on Linux.
Bazzite runs really badly
What games don’t work?
Most of the time, the issue is the drm on games or anticheat.
Ironically SteamOS is based on Arch Linux lol
If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux. The exception is games with agressive anti-cheat.
If yoy have a fairly recent gpu, windows games run fine on linux.
I’ve been using my nearly 8-year-old GPU (an AMD Vega 56) in Linux just fine for nearly 8 years (i.e., since the day I bought it). Even in the first few years, before Proton existed, I had been playing Windows games on it using plain old WINE via PlayOnLinux.
The even older GPU I used to use before that (an AMD Radeon R7 260X) is still installed in my Linux home server, and I would expect to be able to play Windows games on it just fine too (at least in terms of compatibility, if not raw performance of decade-plus-old hardware).
All that is to say, I’m confused about what you mean by “fairly recent.”
I’m not a huge gamer myself but the handful of games I do like to play every now and then all run on Linux.
Real, Valorant is the only game really keeping me from Linux at this point. Steam with proton has really improved linux gaming
Check out distros like Pop!_OS or Nobara. Linux gaming has come a long way recently due to Valve going all in on linux for the Steam Deck. Frankly even just the standard mainline distros aren’t terrible for gaming these days tbh.
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I really wish there was something regulatory that could be done about this. There are millions of perfectly good fully working computers that are going to go in the fucking trash because of this. I understand the desire for a TPM on every machine. It makes sense in a way. But the pure environmental impact is just indefensible. All of those computers had a significant environmental footprint to build them and ship them and again to dispose of them plus building and shipping their replacements.
If Microsoft had such a hard-on for TPM, they should have worked with computer manufacturers to make some sort of retrofit system or way of easily determining if a TPM can be added to an existing computerLet’s not pretend Microsoft is trying to do anything else but make more money with the TPM requirement.
Oh of course. For them and their OEM partners too. Nobody else benefits from throwing 2-5 generations of perfectly functional hardware in the fucking trash.
That all said though, Microsoft has been one of the biggest pushes behind replacing passwords with more secure authentication. And TPM does play a role in that. Certainly not the driving factor for throwing away millions of perfectly good computers though.
I remember that “promise” too. And here we are
This is the biggest garbage a tech company did to almost 256 million PCs in use and fully working. I installed Linux Mint on all three PCs I own. Free and works far better than I thought.
My parents are now using Zorin os because it feels like Windows, and they don’t even know it’s not windows. For the vast majority of people who only use a browser it’s a no brainer to switch.
My 73 year old dad has been on Linux for… eight years I believe? He loves it.
Mint runs on a 17-year-old Acer Aspire One I have. Slowly, very slowly, but perfectly.
I took the last message I got from them as an invitation to ditch Windows for Linux. Now I wish I did that earlier!
The OneDrive plug at the end is *chefs kiss*
Is it relevant to the email at all? Nope! But we’ll keep them addicted to OneDrive out of fear!
I love how in a world where we banned straws we are somehow OK with Microsoft pushing people to recycle their old but otherwise adequate system for what, to the vast majority of people, are some paper thin security advantages.
Anybody who asks me about Windows 10’s EOL date will be introduced to the option of using Linux before i’ll help them select a replacement system. Especially if they literally only use a browser there really is no reason to go through hoops or spend money to stick with Windows.
I love how in a world where we banned straws
We didn’t. If anything, we are in a world where we banned banning straws, because even this trivial token concession was considered a Violation of Our Fundamental Freedoms. Media personalities screaming and nashing their teeth over straws was a PR stunt by petrochemical companies to backstop any kind of radical anti-plastic reforms.
Anybody who asks me about Windows 10’s EOL date will be introduced to the option of using Linux before i’ll help them select a replacement system.
Cheers to this.
We’ve lost to climate change already. Can’t even get people to wear a mask. Asking them to completely change their polluting lifestyles? Impossible. What we do instead is ban plastic straws to pretend were doing something. Reality doesn’t matter, just how people feel.
We very clearly haven’t already lost, otherwise the world would have ended. You and I wouldn’t be having this discussion, we’d be cobbling together what bits of food we could to survive.
Stop this mindset, it’s destructive and foolish - human beings have the capability of overcoming this. If people with this mindset were asked to dive into the cooling tanks at the Chernobyl incident - we, as a species, would actually be fucked.
We have. Our ship’s course is set. The systems we have in place are too entrenched in their destruction. I remember when the Paris agreement was signed and everyone was talking about how we need to cut emissions now or never. What did we do as a species? Increase energy demands across the board and keep the status quo, and those demands just keep rising higher and higher.
end of support for windows 10
beginning of support for linux mint
Yeah, my old desktop computer is getting turned into my first dedicated Linux machine and my current desktop isn’t getting updated to 11 until October 13th.
i just switched my laptop to mint and my desktop is next :) surprisingly so many “windows only” steam games run perfectly fine in linux
Except for some games with Anti-Cheat you can basically play anything that runs on Windows on Linux too
and really i wouldn’t want to play those ones anyway :)
So far I’m aware of fortnite, fc, battlefield and destiny. Which I don’t want to play anyways
Pretty much everything (except for games with kernal level anti-cheat as others have said) works now.
Even if Steam says “unsupported,” there’s a decent chance it will work out of the box, or maybe with a little tweaking. Protondb.com is a great resource for this.
Proton is fucking great.
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built
They’ve been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?
Also, I’m pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself…
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I mean, Tiny11 both is and isn’t Windows, depending on whether you count “Windows 11 with everything but the bare essentials optional” as “Windows” 🤷
I mean, one would hope that whenever there is a new version it’s more secure than the last one. Not that it’s true, but that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
that’s how it should be, so nothing weird about the claim.
As long as you consider every claim Microsoft makes to be either a lie or inherently unprovable until the opposite is proven, that is. Which you should tbh.
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built, with comprehensive end-to-end security
Does “end-to-end security” actually mean anything in this context, or is it just intended to evoke “end-to-end encryption”?
That entire sentence is unintelligible marketing drivel.
“How is Windows 11 more secure?”
“It just is! Promise!”
It says ‘comprehensive’ can’t get more clear than that, right? Right?
Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux
this is literally E-waste
Reminds me what Spotify did with the Spotify car thingWhat a coincidence - I stopped supporting it too!
