Does the hakka mean the same as it does in western cultures as a peaceful perfomative protest or does that mean something like a threat/declaration of war in Maori culture? I’d apply the former, but last time I did that I was accused of being orientalist :/
It can be both. Traditionally is was a ‘war dance’, but depending on the lyrics and context it can be used as welcoming, a farewell, or many such things. You would have to translate it to know.
makes sense
Every parliament record here in Hungary
Boo
I think that was amazingly awesome. The people saying there’s a time and place, you’re correct. This was the time and place. Take a stand, make noise, make people uncomfortable. Quiet compliance is what got us here in the first place.
Exactly. White person living on the other side of the god damn planet here, and I cheered when I heard what she did. She’s amazing. If all politicians had her moral fiber and backbone, we’d have world peace.
Culture, in MY politics?? No, no, I need to pretend all people are the same and want the same things I do, if I have the context of culture 🤢 I might have to consider people have valid perspectives I don’t share!! /s if we do that here
The people critizing her think Americans politics are the best model.
Parliaments have rules dictating behaviour for good reason. If they don’t then discussion break down into chaos. So should they be punished? Absolutely.
The severity of that punishment depends on the type of haka and what was intended by it. In all the coverage I’ve seen no translation of what was said. A haka can be anything from expressions of joy to a declaration of war.
If the point was to intimidate or worse, then throw the book at her. Just as someone using intimidating or violent language would be ruled against. Doing it in a way specific to a particular culture does not get you protection.
If it was just a display of Maori culture at a poignant moment, expressing grief at the decision, then more leniency can be shown. However I doubt that’s the case given the physical actions involved.
Nah you racist. This is her culture and he land and the cunts trying to pull bullshit will get Haka’d out of parliament
Fuck your decorum
In case you’re actually curious https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka_Mate
Thanks. That does give me more context. Not as bad as it could have been, but certainly has some venom in parts.
Institutional violence is constant intimidation.
She has done this before. She knows Hakas gets attention. So she is aware of want she is doing.
I agree with you.
She knows Hakas gets attention. So she is aware of want she is doing.
THATS THE PURPOSE
the fuck you mean she’s aware of what she was doing? Fucking commie morons
The Maori party favour theatrics over results, and always have. One of the most notable examples, there was a motion in the house to change the dress code, which the speaker asked if anyone wanted to second. Nobody did.
The next day, one of their MPs was ejected from the house for not wearing a tie.
You’re speaking of criticism of the party I don’t care.
This woman did nothing wrong I don’t care if it is theatrical, politics is theatrics.
You seem to have a very simplistic view of the world, and don’t seem to be willing to take other points of view on board, so I don’t see much point engaging with you any further.
And you seem to be a moron who thinks theatrics=bad for some unclear and likely absolutely asinine reason.
This woman did nothing wrong. You’re just a little tool bag
You misunderstood, you wank.
Begging for attention or doing something that is reasonable can be good. Getting attention by being disruptive and manipulative is the problem. Hence the fact they threw the book at her.
Knowing is one thing. Context and intent is another.
I am not a commie. You commie.
there’s no difference but perspective you dope
They did this right before Parliament was set to vote, and managed to disrupt and delay said vote.
So yes, it was pretty bad.
The video is less than two minutes long
The three MPs will not receive their salaries during the suspension and will not be present during next week’s annual budget debate.
There we have it. They’re making sure that Maori people won’t have representation when taking away their rights is debated again.
This sort of thing always strikes me as odd.
There are agreed rules on language, some parliaments have dress code but besides penalties or fines a representative can be served with under no situation a representative can be barred from exercisizing their dutifully elected functions.
I have representatives in my national assembly with criminal charges that none the less exercise as they have been elected.
This is plainly stupid and abusive.
This is plainly stupid and abusive.
Layers of bureaucracy mostly exist to insulate the ruling class from anything that may threaten their power.
The solution, as usual, is to lose faith in the system and fight back in the ways you can. Namely, your wallets.
My wallet as no place in this conversation. It is just a battered piece a leather that is currently struggling to hold two bank cards, some coins and a few receipts. And my identification cards.
Fight with your vote. Support smaller parties. Be politically active. Demand change.
In New Zealand it is pretty common for members of parliament to get thrown out of the chamber for a whole bunch of reasons. In general you have to do whatever the speaker says, sort of like you would a judge in a court proceeding. There’s a whole lot ( perhaps dated ) rules around treating other members of the house with respect, letting them speak when their part of the process is up etc.
I think most of this is covered by this list of rules: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/parliamentary-rules/standing-orders-2017-by-chapter/chapter-3-general-procedures/
I don’t know about the NZ parliament, but in the UK parliament upon which it is based it absolutely possible for members to be thrown out of the chamber. It’s not even that rare. Famously Dennis Skinner was kicked out for calling them Prime Minister David Cameron “Dodgy Dave” and refusing to retract it.
Are you quoting some rule or just your own expectation?
I’m in Portugal. I’ve seen direct insults exchanged between representatives, a clear violation of manners and language, and the representative was not removed from the chamber. Their word was removed, a sanction issued, but that was it. We have representatives with active criminal charges in place that were not removed.
Another Portuguese, the world is small.
It’s small for others. We are everywhere.
I have lots of Portuguese neighbors here in California, so this checks out.
How are those guys? Friendly and caring folks? Or someone you should keep a distance from?
#JustColonialThings
Water under the bridge. We just roam and spread everywhere.
It changes from country to country. I some countries they even fight each other and throw stuff with no repercussions.
You’re right it does vary from country to country.
However, I don’t personally think it does the process any good if thing can descend into playground insults or violence. I’m in favour of people being expelled if they can’t maintain a base level of behaviour.
You’re thinking of Taiwan?
Save this example for the next time some chud tries to tell you colonization is a past event and not an ongoing process right this minute
This was five months ago. The MPs haka sparked national protest and a nine day march against the Treaty Principles Bill, which did not pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Principles_Bill
Pretty amazing, the NZ conservatives mount a major attack on Māori and are then intimidated by haka. Snowflakes.
That was pretty badass.
Is it wrong that I found that pretty hot?
EDIT: Answer: Yes. Yes, it is.
Fuck the King
Like the French do.
Hell yeah! (Edit, about the haka, 😅😅😅 not the punishment)
This doesn’t seem like the appropriate response
Well it does if one is a racist arsehole.
Maybe, but…they’re a blahaj user. It seems far more likely to me that they just misunderstood the news or misinterpreted what’s going on.
