I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

  • GlitterInfection@lemmy.world
    2·
    11 months ago

    I find Lemmy significantly worse than reddit was in this regard. The number of times I’ve had my different (not unpopular outside of lemmy) opinion met immediately with personal insults is way higher here in the few months I’ve been here than my years with reddit.

    I’ve just been learning not to engage on any of the lemmy propaganda areas, and that leaves me with a lot less active communities.

    • Wrench@lemmy.world
      2·
      11 months ago

      I agree, and attribute that to the kind of people who would boycott Reddit forever, where the largest part of the lemmy population seems to originate from.

      As much as I roll my eyes at the overuse of the term, lemmy is mostly comprised of the "woke"est of the reddit population.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
    2·
    11 months ago

    It is quite often that responses seem to come from school age children who just discovered [insert edgy counter-culture ideology], and all of their responses and world views revolve around a rudimentary desire for that ideological utopia, with very little consideration given to sociology or economics. I suppose that is actually who’s responding a lot of the time. All real world considerations are discarded, and any issues you identify are perceived as stupid/shill/Trumper/dummy/capitalist drivel with zero consideration given.

    • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      11 months ago

      Agreed, often if you check the post history of folks like that you’ll see that they’re still in school.

  • spaduf@slrpnk.net
    1·
    11 months ago

    It’s a shame that this discussion so frequently centers around the political discussions, but this has definitely seeped into the broader discourse. Short, low-effort comments with no actual content are nearly always at the top. The only solution I can see is to create some heavily moderated spaces where low-effort comments will not fly, but we’ve seen time and time again that lemmy users are more anti-moderation than most.

  • Flax@feddit.uk
    1·
    11 months ago

    They also have a reddit-scale visceral hatred for religion lmao

    • Ludrol@szmer.info
      1·
      11 months ago

      Yea, I saw couple of people that want to discuss religion and faith in the civil manner but the majority is drowning out the conversation. I would love to have a safe space for discussing such topics but I already have couple of communities that I contribute as a sole person and I am unwilling to create another one.

    • emptiestplace@lemmy.ml
      01·
      11 months ago

      Religion is fucking bad, though: without hyperbole, it is and always has been a scourge on our collective existence.

  • Crozekiel@lemmy.zip
    1·
    11 months ago

    I dunno man, I didn’t come here looking to contribute to or find a plan to fix the world. I came here to doom scroll and look at memes.

  • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.org
    1·
    11 months ago

    Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

    That is literally why my instance finally defederated from .ml Every 3rd comment from someone there was exactly that regardless of what community you were in. It was exhausting. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were already blocked here, and once the .ml peanut gallery was gone, it was like “wow, this is kind of enjoyable again”.

    Do I miss a few FOSS communities that were more active there than their counterparts elsewhere? Yeah, a little. But, overall, the experience is just so much better after they were blocked. It’s not even that I really disagree with them on everything, it’s just…STFU already, stop brigading, and maybe say something constructive for once.

  • Empricorn@feddit.nl
    11·
    11 months ago

    I feel like many people here are literally unreasonable. Any person with any faith at all is an idiot, all enlightened atheists are superior… FuckCars seems to be leaking and anyone who has to drive for their job is hated on… Linux is the only option, you should never, ever use Windows for anything… etc…

    Like, not everything is black and white! The real world is shades of grey and often requires compromise. But the loudest voices here seem to be extremists that slap down any comment that isn’t 100% what they believe in. It’s exhausting…

  • br3d@lemmy.world
    0·
    11 months ago

    I discovered Lemmy and Hacker news at roughly the same time, and the difference in comment quality is striking. Obviously HN is a lot more mature platform, and more specialised, but still… People over there are lamenting the quality of their comments and saying they’re not what they used to be, but the majority are interesting and constructive