The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.

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    Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.

    I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.

    They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…

    • Uyghur camps > not happening
    • Tiannamen square > Just some peaceful protests
    • invasion of Ukraine > NATO forced Russia to do it
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      I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies in China. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general

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        There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I’m thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.

        • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins

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            Hey, I’m the founder of Sublinks. It’s a huge collaboration of several major Lemmy instances like lemmy world, beehaw, discuss.online, programming.dev, and quite a few others that wish not to be named until the release.

            Some admins are directly working on the project while others are providing other types of support. @Ategon@programming.dev is certainly a major contributor and has helped develop the new front end in many major ways. You can follow some progress updates here: !sublinks@discuss.online

            We have several different teams of developers:

            1. API / Java
            2. Front-end / JS/CSS/HTML
            3. Federation / GoLang
            4. Libraries / JS
            5. Requirements gathering and organization
            6. Design & Graphics - UI/UX
            7. Lemmy to Sublinks migration tools

            There is an active community on Matrix where all of us chat: https://matrix.to/#/#sublinks:discuss.online if anyone is interested in joining. We also have weekly touch bases to discuss progress and next steps. There are tons of people contributing.

            We are currently taking donations only through Github: https://github.com/sponsors/sublinks if you’re truly interested. We’re all working on this part-time in our free time and making fantastic progress.

            Let me know if you have any questions!

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      I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.

      I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.

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        The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe. Therefore I don’t believe you made your reply in good faith.

        Not all of lemmy.ml is a cesspool filled with poisonous cretins, but they (tankies) control the instance at conversational, moderation and administration level. So it will not change, only get worse.

        Just like we see with the MAGAts… Once you start drinking your own coolaid… the sky is the limit.

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          The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe.

          If it’s so rampant that you find it unbelievable I haven’t seen it, then it must be very easy to prove. Can you please provide a proof?

          but they (tankies) control the instance…

          It’s their instance. That’s not proper grounds for defederation in my opinion, when the damage is contained within their instance.

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            As I stated in my preface, no thank you.

            And if it is contained in their instance… it does not matter that the borders are guarded by deFederation.

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              No worries. I never expected you to have the proof anyways, but I wanted readers to be aware that you don’t.

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                That’s fair. I think most people can make up their own minds looking at the thread, posts contents and then their own experience in the .ml scape compared to the rest of Lemmy.

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      Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.

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        Yep. They were claiming that Putin invaded Ukraine to stop fascists. And that they were liberators. I was like, why would one fascist care what other fascists do? In the US, our fascist, wealthy Republicans largely supported Hitler till pearl harbor. But I did agree with them that the Soviet Union absolutely liberated many countries against their will post WWII. And that those countries still hold it against them to this day.

        The gulags were mentioned and they were like, but but but America jails more! To which I told them that was bad. But the West doesn’t kill millions of prisoners the way they did. And all for political dissent, reminding them of just two weeks ago when Putin had Navalny killed for political dissent.

        The absurd thing is, I’m one hundred percent down for Marxism. And largely agree politically with his theory plus some modernization. So technically we would agree on a lot of things there. It’s just the Engles and Lenin bullshit I disagree with, and has shown to have failed. Or caused their downfall historically. But they are primarily leninists, dedicated ideologically to authoritarians and strongmen above all reality.

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      IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,

      AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,

      THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?

      Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?

      or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??


      I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…


      IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.

      ?

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        They could, but it’s open source software. People can just fork it and not follow along such self destructive paths.