For anyone wondering if Threads and Facebook at large will be a fine neighbor in the space and compatible with other apps/services in the fediverse: they’re already automatically hiding comments that mention Pixelfed https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112126250737482807
mEtA wOnT dEsTrOy ThE fEdIvErSe. wE sHoUlD lEt tHrEaDs In
Let’s just give them a chance guys. They haven’t done anything bad yet. It will help the fediverse grow. We need their content
wE cAn AlwAyS dEfeDeraTe lAtEr. It dEfinIteLy WoN’T bE tOo LaTe tHeN
Yeah because that’s an opinion people have
You can search for threads and literally see these comments yourself buddy
Had that argument yesterday. It IS an opinion people have.
Buddy, search for Threads related posts from a few months back. This was seriously in question.
Oh no, it was everywhere, and I got into some decent arguments with those lovely people who ask you to show them how it’s going to have any effect on the fediverse at all, complete with citations.
WeLl hOw Do YoU KnOw?
The only thing that saved Meta/Web3 from creating a special hell where digital rent seeking pervades all social interaction is that capitalism is too advanced at this point to create a market before trying to squeeze every last drop of blood out of it.
Choosing a defederated instance might be a good idea…I just signed up here but I’ll consider it.
I could also just block the threads.net domain, no? Or would my data still get shipped off to Meta? I’m a little fuzzy on how detailed user account level federation works still.
Your lemmy data is on the public internet. Whether threads is federated with your instance or not, meta can still get all of your posts/comments.
A fair point!
Repeat after me: I will not federate with any Meta products.
I’m kind of stupid and more here just because it tends to be better discussion than Reddit: what does “federate with” mean in this context??
Thanks!
@Minotaur @henfredemars @technology You are using an account on lemm.ee to reply to someone commenting from an account on infosec.pub in a community hosted on lemmy.world.
Those are all running Lemmy software, but I am replying from an account on social.goodanser.com, which is running Mastodon software.
That’s federation. We’re all using different service providers, sometimes even different software, but we can talk to each other because they speak the same protocol, called ActivityPub. Threads.net has announced plans to support ActivityPub and conducted some limited trials, which they’re in the process of expanding. They claim they intend to support it fully, but only for users who opt in to it.
Servers can block, or “defederate from” other servers, and many have chosen to preemptively defederate from Threads.
Very interesting. Appreciate the response. Didn’t know big companies like meta had any interest in the whole “federation” gig, seeing that it seems a little “opposed” to the kind of big revenue that supports tech companies like that
And now I’m commenting from a lemmy.world account because Lemmy from Mastodon has some rough edges like the need to tag the community in my comment above to ensure it actually reaches the lemmy.world server.
Tumblr and Flickr are also talking about ActivityPub support, but it’s not clear if or when that will actually happen. It would make more sense to me for those services since they’re fairly small and it’s a way to substantially increase the possible audience. It’s not clear what Meta’s motivations are here, though a motivation some have proposed is that they’re trying to get in front of potential regulation. The EU Digital Markets Act, for example requires some services to interoperate with competitors, and having one of its new products join an established standard protocol is a way to say “you don’t need to regulate us, we already do the thing”.
I don’t think their blocking of comments mentioning Pixelfed is intentional. Pixelfed is not popular enough for Meta to care about as a competitor, and blocking mentions of competitors has never been among their tactics.
Youtube was blocking comments mentioning Fediverse and ActivityPub 2 years ago way before all the exposure the Fediverse got last year. Facebook was blocking links to mastodon instances also before all that. There is absolutely no way a very specific word such as Pixelfed would be blocked “accidentally”, how do you propose such accidental block would even be possible? Oops, intern smashed his butt against a keyboard and set a filter that happened to catch Pixelfed by accident? Come on.
Appreciate this response, it seems to make a lot of sense to me.
I think people on sites like Lemmy and similar can kind of uhh… overestimate how much anyone outside of a very niche crowd care about the whole “federalization” movement, and yeah it seems unlikely to me that Threads is going out of its way to shadowban a (comparatively) niche competitor like Pixelfed
I’m about 99% sure Threads uses automated spam/abuse filtering based on uncommon words present in posts that have recently been flagged as abusive. Somebody, perhaps several somebodies probably posted “follow my porn account on Pixelfed” or similar that Threads doesn’t like. I’d use something like that if I was making a huge social media thing because you can’t not at that scale.
But it actually isn’t, because the largest driver of growth for platforms like facebook & instagram is the already present userbase.
That userbase will always be there if the programs are all federated together, so creating a new platform is now just making a better site versus that and bringing in the userbase.
I will not federate with any meta products.
I will not federate with any meta products.
I will not federate with any meta products.
I have to post this again sorry
But surely meta has good intentions and we should totally trust them guys!!1!
It’d be a damn shame if everyone started putting pixelfed at the end of every message to both deny threads content and create a Streisand effect.
I wish I could go back to a Lemmy thread showing how Mastodon and other Fediverse instances were blocking Meta ahead of it’s integration, where people went “Oh you’re just being paranoid, why would they do that?” And when given examples of companies taking open standards and either making themselves the biggest source of users or killing it (Microsoft, Google, Apple) they either went “Well that happened in 2006, it’s 2023!”
I know the bootlickers wouldn’t actually change their mind, but jesus christ. It’s frustrating for groups of advocates to be ignored and proven right each time. Cassandra syndrome is real.
What are these examples and how do they relate to what Meta is doing?
I just feel like this strategy won’t work for activitypub. The whole idea is to make interoperable web platforms. If meta tries to damage that then I don’t see why activitypub developers would cooperate when it’s against the whole purpose of the project.
I don’t think you have to know how the poison works to know the snake bite will kill you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms_and_controversies
They will come here (edit: They HAVE come here) with a goal of exploiting and controlling the fediverse. You and I don’t have to know how they will do that in order for it to be true. Scrubbing links to a product that competes with Instagram from threads seems like a decent start though.
I mean I am completely unsurprised by their misbehavior, I’m just slightly more optimistic about our ability to resist them.
That said, the one danger I can see is Meta gaining more authority over the activitypub developers. That is probably something worth being vigilant about.
I’m just slightly more optimistic about our ability to resist them.
What form would such resistance take if not advocating loudly for defederation?
I was one of those people that said “let’s see if they will be acceptable neighbors” and well, it seems we have an answer.
If it’s true then I now favor defederation.
Edit: it sounds like this wasn’t true.
Yeah I mean who could’ve seen something like this coming?
After so many positive experiences with the charming and wholesome company Meta, now this completely out of the blue…
I tested this and I did not got blocked or anything. https://www.threads.net/@mogoh_viol/post/C4xsvpKMZb8 So I assume, this was just an accident.
I know everybody loves to hate meta, I am am not a fan either, but I find it hard to belive that they outright ban the word pixelfed.
So something changed between then and now. Wish the picture had absolute timestamps instead of the relative ones. I’m on mobile so I’m not about to try to dive into EXIF to find out when that was happening.
I just…
I just do not get the twitter framework for social media. Like I appreciate you mastodon bros, but what the hell is actually going on over there. I had the same issue with twitter. What the hell even is this?
It’s an convenient way to post about some trending topic, without creating a whole new community for something temporary. For example the eurovision sing festival, or some natural disaster that happened.
And on the other hand, it works for expressing some personal thoughts or memes without having to adhere to a specific topic. But with random strangers instead of only your facebook friends.
I think for these kind of needs, no other social media framework would comply better.
I guess I get it, but like, sorting by all or new kind of does the same thing…
I do see that it is popular, but the ‘feel’ is just that its a bunch of people shouting at each other across a cafeteria.
You don’t like a bunch of people shouting at each other across a cafeteria? It kind of explains why I never got twitter either.
This is basically how I feel about Instagram. I just can’t understand why people use the platform, or even how they do.
Every time I try to use the app, I just end up closing it in frustration a couple of minutes later. What’s the point in following people when the algorithm is just going to show me a randomized assortment of their posts from the past week where every one is followed by a “suggested” post from somebody I don’t follow and then a “sponsored” post (ad). And then it stops after like 20 posts and refuses to load any more because “You’re all caught up from the past 3 days!”, even if I haven’t opened it in 5 months.
I guess following people whose content you’re interested in has gone out of style in favor of consuming whatever the algorithm vomits up in front of you. I feel like even Tik Tok does a better job of letting you see content from people you’re following, and that thing is basically all algorithm.
And now I sound like my parents in the 2010s trying to figure out why people use Facebook…
I never really got the Twitter model either. Following a specific individual is a weird one for me; I’d rather follow an idea or a topic instead (Reddit/lemmy/forums). I honestly don’t care enough about any individual user to the point where I want to know what they have to say about… anything, really.
twitter was made for famous people to spew short thoughts at the masses in a long term plan of selling advertising.
I followed the link to the mastodon post and saw this edit
“Edit: As mentioned below, it appears to be a bug, not intentional!”
Huh, well look at that. Meta being exactly as bad a corporate citizen as one would expect. This is why defederation is wise. I have no patience for the folks who think we’re somehow not being fair to poor old Meta.
Support the fedipact.
Push your instance to defederate.
They are not and will never be a positive contributor to the fediverse. It’s another thing to exploit, enshittify, and ruin for them, that’s all.
https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/fedipact-blocking-meta/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Criticisms_and_controversies
Edit: I’ll be one more guy posting this link so interested folks can easily check if their instance has defederated, and make a decision from there. https://fedipact.veganism.social/
This is a by-the-book and extremely predictable case of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
thats it, the fediverse is canceled cuz threads is doing stupid shit on their own server. game over. everyone pack up their lemmy and go home.
Im SOOOO surprised. /s
