Doesn’t help that sex keeps being written into shows where it doesn’t belong.
It’s trying to make a show “more adult” in literally the most childish way possible.
That Halo show is a good example of completely needless sex scenes.
I’d completely forgotten about the Halo show in general, and now you’ve just reminded me of Master Cheeks all over again :(
All I know about the Halo show is that it ignores the entirety of the Halo lore in order to basically try to be a note for note rip off of the Mandalorian. But the fact that it has sex scenes bothers me, I mean isn’t it cannon that the Spartan project killed Master Chiefs libido and therefore he is effectively asexual?
The rate at which the Spartan II augmentations killed people’s sex drive is overstated quite a bit, but yeah Chief doesn’t really show to have much of a libido (from what I’ve read, only at Ghosts of Onyx so far), and having this alternate version of Chief be so unhinged as to bang a POW really goes against canon Chief’s single minded dedication to his missions.
Every show needs a romantic subplot. Its fundamental to the marketing.
It’s not the sex. It’s the cringy romantic bullshit typically surrounding it where everyone treats each other like shit for the sake of drama.
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I suspect that is true as well. Most of the really dramatic girls I’ve known have been super into romcoms and reality TV. If not causing the behavior they are at least reinforcing it.
Is it just Gen Z?
Most movie sex scenes are terrible. They fail as both pornography and as literary devices.
When you put a sex scene, or any other scene in a movie it has to serve some purpose. It can move the plot along, it can show the characters emotions or it can just be there for titillation. If it’s just there because someone thinks that the main characters are supposed to smash, it’s dumb.
I remember that when we rented “Basic Instinct” you knew how often people re-watched the interrogation scene because the old VHS tapes would get worn at that spot and you could see the screen artifacts.
Two things made that worth watching. The whole movie was about sex so it made sense, both in the movie and for the character. The way to get porn at the time was to walk into a store and buy a magazine. And Sharon Stone was hot, OK 3 reasons.
There absolutely are movies where the sex scenes make sense and are important. David Kronenberg’s “Crash” and Kimberly Peirce’s “Boys Don’t Cry”, would have been weird if they didn’t include the sex scenes or just left them implied.
The sex scene in, “Team America: World Police”, worked because it was a satire of sex scenes in movies.
Pornhub works because their scenes are very explicit.When you have a boring, unironic, semi-artistic sex scene in a movie that’s not otherwise about sex, it’s just a distraction.
When you have a boring, unironic, semi-artistic sex scene in a movie that’s not otherwise about sex, it’s just a distraction.
I don’t disagree. But I do see room to expand the definition.
Recently, I’ve been introducing my partner to The Sopranos for the first time (we’re in s3). I think there are legitimate depictions of sex in the series. They only appear briefly to help illustrate what types of people the characters are. They’re quick and out of the way. Like, oh, that guy’s fucking her, now let’s move on to the dialog that happens after. It’s when we see that these are characters who have sex as opposed to seeing the sex that makes the difference, imo.
You just described the average 80’s movie with your last paragraph.
Some, but remember that the only way that get real porn was to go to a store and buy a physical thing. Aside from the convenience there was a stigma to buying porn and it’s illegal for kids to buy. For a horny kid in the 80’s, light on-screen T&A and a Victoria’s Secret Catalog was a pretty good substitute.
I want romance in my romance and rom-coms. I do not want it in my action, thriller, history, sci-fi, fantasy, comedy, or biographical movies. Unless, and this is key, unless it legitimately adds to the movie.
“Gen Z doesn’t like sex scene put into the movie by senile board members, so they must not like sex in movies anymore”
@2ncs not really what the study found.
The new UCLA “Teens and Screens” study, conducted by the Center for Scholars & Storytellers, found that across 1,500 members of Gen Z, ages 10 to 24, young people wanted to see platonic relationships between onscreen characters, and many felt sex wasn’t necessary for story plot. (Only the respondents ages 13 to 24 were asked about sexual content.)
“While it’s true that teens want less sex on TV and in movies, what the survey is really saying is that teens want more and different kinds of relationships reflected in the media they watch,” said Yalda T. Uhls
I think it more likely that they are sick of the idiot love triangle crutch which so many productions desperately wedge into films it has no place in.
I feel that the title of the article is misleading, as the poll in the article shows that Gen Z are turned off by gratuitous sex scenes that are not relevant to the plot, and not Gen Z suddenly turning into evangelical prudes. What they wanted is not the unrealistic, lazy, paint-by-number relationships as commonly depicted to stir controversy to drive engagement(a very cynical approach, I might add), but a full spectrum of different types of relationships good and bad, authentic in their depiction and sincere in their on-screen expression.
Note that the sincerity of expression doesn’t mean that the relationship depicted has to be good, or even genuine. For example, the sex scenes in “The Wolf of Wall Street” (you’re welcome, by the way) are important because they highlight that between Jordan and Naomi, there is nothing between the two besides money and sex, it’s shallow, materialistic, two selfish, toxic people using the other to get what they want, without which they can’t stand each other, in stark contrast with the genuine parental love that Naomi felt for her children, and it is the resolution of said contradiction which contributed to Jordan Belfort’s downfall.
I don’t mind sex scenes but I’m so over forced, low stakes, softcore sex scenes between characters that have nonexistent chemistry.
I still think it’s best when it’s artfully implied and brief between characters with chemistry.
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90% and 100% more like
Top Gun Maverick did it perfectly IMO.
I was getting all concerned I was going to have watch ageing Tom Cruise do his thing, but they did a 90s soap opera option and panned away. They knew the audience understood and didn’t need to see. I was so relieved and surprised.
I’m with Gen Z here. They’re absolutely right
Counterpoint:
Yup, especially as a gay, sex scenes in movies have always been “I’m fine with straight people existing, but I don’t want them rubbing my face in it” at best … and it’s rarely at best, with all the chemistry of a jar of nitrogen.
That’s not just a Gen Z thing, nobody I’ve ever talked to likes sex scenes.
Most of them are just dumb. Like a guy finds out his mom just died in a bear attack, so he and his coworker have passionate sex for the first time.
That’s right. If I wanna see that, there’s pornhub etc. In any other movie: skip button. One exception: “The Room”. Makes the cringe complete. Oh, never watch it sober. Of course.
It’s oddly the perfect Hollywood sex scene.
I mean, they try for verisimilitude. When I have sex I of course spend hours under flowing white bed sheets running my hand along my partners body and kind of grinding at them, I mean who doesn’t? But it’s always unrealistic. You never even see the dude you’re paying $5.00 an hour to undulate the sheets, not the dude holding the sheets up so you can stare lovingly into your partners eyes.
How does Gen Z feel about nudity in films? Either nudity that fits the scene and feels logical or nudity just for fan service?
I’m cool if your just not a fan of shoe horned in and cringey sex scenes, but lots of younger folks come off as weirdly puritanically prudish to me. Why are we so much more comfortable with casual violence than casual nudity? That bothers me.
As a Gen Z I wonder the exact same thing, and that violence seemsto be better than nudity bothes me too.
Personally I’m perfectly fine with nudity in media be it fitting or fan service.
If something bothers me about nude scenes or sex scenes for that matter, it isn’t about the nudity or sex in of it self, but more so that extremely shoehornd in romance and sex just because it has to happen if a male and female lead or support, spends any amount of time together.
I really hate that sort of practice and I much more prefer a crime movie with two friends as the main characters. Over the same crime movie but now they have to be in love, because one of them happened to be a woman. Of it’s a good love story or it makes sense I buy it, but more of the time it really doesn’t.
And as this is a very common trope in movies, this dose lead to me choosing movie that doesn’t feature romance or sex at all. Because that is easier than trying to find one that doesn’t just shoehorn the stuff in for the sack of it.
or fan service.
I don’t get this. Why is fan service fine? I thought it’s as vapid as graituous sex.
Things are allowed to just be fun.
Like graituous sex?
Yes, though the word “gratuitous” is a bit loaded, but I understand that’s just common parlance.
Gen Z in the macro sense is a very prudish generation. It’s weird because they clad themselves in sex-positivity, and are conceptually pro-sexuality, but individually are often quite prudish and reserved.
Very broad brush, of course.
Isn’t this just typical of how young people are?
Short answer: no. Long answer: also, no.
This is very different from my personal lives experience, and those of most people I know, but again my entire point here is that I don’t really know the current experience of young people.
All I have is a really broad brush.
I wonder to what extent that it could be an observation bias? genZ are very online and very used to having a public persona that’s safe and detached - it’s very true that online most genZ seem almost corporate, they’re less likely to say something wild than the Wendy’s lady.
When I think of the ones I actually interact with personally very few of them are like that, obviously this is likely to be selection bias but in person or private conversation they’re very different to their social media persona.
They’re a very nervous and shy generation because they’ve been so in the spotlight on social media, their parents are generally at least internet aware too so it’s not like the private world it was for us. I wonder if they’re just more used to guarding their statements.
I feel like Gen Z are very conservative when it comes to sex and nudity and not just in films. The amount of swerfs and “sex positive” individuals is staggering.
Oh I’m gonna hate myself for asking this but wtf is a swerf
Sex worker-exclusionary radical feminist, apparently.
Sex-worker Exclusionary Radical Feminists. They are individuals who are against sex work and workers to the point of sexual confinement. From my experience, most are sex negative, puritanical, and end up supporting policies that increase abuse.
Jesus christ. I’m learning that anything ending in “ERF” is probably something I’m not gonna like.
It’s a genuinely fascinating topic and I kind of want to see if there’s any research on why this is the case.
because sex and violence are not really comparable
Well no shit. Nobody wants to watch sex scenes with their parents, and when rent costs 3 used cars per month they don’t have a ton of choice.
I think you are exaggerating a bit here. Rent levels are skyrocketing past wage growth, sure, but have you considered that used cars are also getting prohibitively expensive relative to the average income? Three of them would be roughly a zillion dollars if my math is correct
Well if you people would stop buying your Pepsis and Cosmo magazines then maybe you could afford a 2001 dodge neon … Dammit
Ya can get a used early 2000s/late 90s saburban in my city for about $2000. Mind ya folks trade around cars here like a 1700s brothel traded the clap but still.
Actually I think they have the same problem with it we Millennials do, and that we don’t find it Charming when a guy acts like a total creep and is rewarded for it because the movie was written by total creeps. Or if our lead is a woman, I’m tired of hearing about how successful and fulfilled she is with her brilliant career that no one takes seriously, because she hasn’t found the right man yet, but then she does and discovers that all of her problems are solved by his penis. Because those movies are also made by creeps
I was thinking this too. Also, not EVERYTHING needs to have a love story jammed into it. There are so many situations that you can tell they shoehorned one in in order to pull a specific demo and it’s totally not necessary for the story
First of all. Are there any stories without sex/romance? I personally would love the occasional platonic story. About people who aren’t all trying to get in eachothers pants.
I’m not Gen Z (Millenial) but I do get tired of being bombarded with sex, making out, etc. If it’s done well and integral to the plot, then it’s fine. But honestly less is more. Do I really need a camera to closeup pan the full length of someone’s naked body to realize what’s going on? After a while it just gets weird, like I am legit waching porn here, am I supposed to be aroused?
The other problem is how flawless they look. I wouldn’t mind seeing some real, average looking people for a change. Hold hands or awkwardly kiss after knowing eachother a few months or years, not like “oh hi we just met and it’s the two of us alone how convenient hehe guess there’s nothing left to do but use our perfect bodies for totally fake sex”.
Has anyone ever had sex and thought afterwards, wow that was just like TV/movies/whatever? In my experience it’s both more awkward and way hotter. They’re not going to script all the little things we enjoy in reality…
Are there any stories without sex/romance?
Dredd 2012. Judge Dredd takes on a female apprentice Anderson for a training day. They mop the floor with gangsters and crooked cops. It’s a non-stop action thrill ride.
No romance. No sexual tension. They do their jobs.
Dredd 2012. Judge Dredd takes on a female apprentice Anderson for a training day. They mop the floor with gangsters and crooked cops. It’s a non-stop action thrill ride.
I absolutely love the part when Dredd is extremely injured and basically walking wounded, Anderson saves him from being executed, and it’s the perfect time for the Hollywood ‘Anderson nurses Dredd back from near death.’
But what happens? Dredd just field dresses himself, and it’s not romantic, at all. She literally covers him while he does it, and then they move on.
Are there* any stories without sex/romance?
There can be. But what if that made you to look other problems of the life? Like poverty and misguided education to help capitalism or like health problems caused by environmental changes or war for drug money? That is why they stick to the emotional side of humans, love of a partner or care of a parent.
First of all. Are there any stories without sex/romance?
Alien and Aliens stand out, and as the poster below said, Dredd as well.
Space Jam
For some reason Hollywood thinks we need sex scenes even though some of the greatest films of all time have none, especially in the sci-fi/horror genre… Alien, The Thing, Event Horizon, E.T., Predator, all of the MCU, etc
Doom, Event Horizon, Hereditary, Silence of the Lambs, The Big Short, Frank… There’s heaps of movies out there for us people who steer well clear of romance. They’re just not mainstream and I’m fine with that.
The only romance movies I really like are The Wedding Singer, 50 First Dates and the 1995 Pride and Prejudice series. I think it’s because the characters actually have depth and are fun to watch.
What TV-series is this: «Tits and dragons»
Just make something that isn’t the exact same fucking thing I’ve seen 12 times, fuck
Recycling scripts and dragging 80 year old actors out of retirement makes for cheaper SEO and a higher gross from millennials/boomers.
New shit is risky, which means lower yield into the next quarter.
Also, copywriter/contract laws require media to use it or lose it. So you’re going to get an X-Men movie every five years whether you like it or not.
Copyright is NOT use it or lose it. Franchising licensing contracts might occasionally have such terms but that’s not the primary reason, these companies just don’t like risk
Franchising licensing contracts might occasionally have such terms
X-Men and Spiderman both revert to Marvel if they aren’t used… I want to say every five years.
Fantastic Four was acquired by Disney in '19, so that one is a moot point.
I think Team America: World Police proved that boring Hollywood sex isn’t what the people want.
It makes the studio money so it’s what gets green lit. Trying something new is risk. If could tank. Status quo FTL.
