Why exactly are we giving Nazis the power to poison language, emojis, what have you for the rest of us again?
I think we should do the opposite. As soon as some symbol becomes a dog whistle, we should all rush to use it for it’s original meaning as much as possible, thus preventing the dog from hearing the whistle where it’s supposed to be used as such.
Well the purpose of the hate list like this isn’t “what symbols not to use” so much as, if a guy uses this and there’s context to suggest it’s a dogwhistle, this is what it means.
As a concrete example, If someone turns to a camera makes the ok gesture then punches a black guy that can be used as evidence in conjunction with a database like this to add a hate crime charge onto the assault charge.
Exactly this. Gasden Flag, same vibes, same weird arguments from people trying to take it back. Go ahead and try, I wish you well, but you’re gonna look like a racist flying it.
Because when someone uses a symbol while they do something shitty, they are associating that symbol with their shitty behaviors. Human brains are wired to identify paterns and associations for threat identification. That’s why cops all dress differently than EMT’s.
If your ex-girlfriend left you in a nasty break up, you might avoid her favorite restaurant, cry when you hear her favorite songs, or even get upset just seeing a similar car to the one she drove. You cant drown out a dog whistel, all you can do is point it out.
They tried that in Reddit back in 2019, and it failed. Frenworld tried taking rainbow flags to mean “A seperate place for every race” ahortly before they got banned.
Once a symbol has stuck, you cant shift it no matter how hard you try.
No, symbols are just hard to change. Once they have a meaning associated to them, you can’t take the meaning away. A pride flag is symbol, so ot means something. An ok hand gesture doesn’t have much beyond “ok” to it, so it can quickly be taken over and poisoned.
A drop of poison in a glass will kill you, but a drop in an lake won’t harm anyone.
That’s fine, detach from the flag and pick something else. It’s the act of repulsion I’m clarifying. If a group chooses, a poisoner has no power, they are discarded.
“Ok” meant “ok” for many years. Society allowed it to be poisoned and that is lame.
That’s why the ok sign is still “in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless”, even according to the ADL. Because it had, you know, a meaning associated to it …
Tbf the fact that it failed kinda proves his point, and the fact that the ok symbol is “now a nazi dogwhistle” (or, like, that whole “swastika” thing) disproves your second point.
I recently found out how they appropriated the hooked cross symbol. Now I’m streaming angry. I just finished sewing one onto the back of my Jean jacket, too.
A bunch of nazi’s used it as a dog whistle and it got added to a database of hate symbols.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49837898
Why exactly are we giving Nazis the power to poison language, emojis, what have you for the rest of us again?
I think we should do the opposite. As soon as some symbol becomes a dog whistle, we should all rush to use it for it’s original meaning as much as possible, thus preventing the dog from hearing the whistle where it’s supposed to be used as such.
Well the purpose of the hate list like this isn’t “what symbols not to use” so much as, if a guy uses this and there’s context to suggest it’s a dogwhistle, this is what it means.
As a concrete example, If someone turns to a camera makes the ok gesture then punches a black guy that can be used as evidence in conjunction with a database like this to add a hate crime charge onto the assault charge.
Exactly this. Gasden Flag, same vibes, same weird arguments from people trying to take it back. Go ahead and try, I wish you well, but you’re gonna look like a racist flying it.
Because when someone uses a symbol while they do something shitty, they are associating that symbol with their shitty behaviors. Human brains are wired to identify paterns and associations for threat identification. That’s why cops all dress differently than EMT’s.
If your ex-girlfriend left you in a nasty break up, you might avoid her favorite restaurant, cry when you hear her favorite songs, or even get upset just seeing a similar car to the one she drove. You cant drown out a dog whistel, all you can do is point it out.
Right but if Nazis just started using the LGBTQ+ flag, that wouldn’t be recognized.
They tried that in Reddit back in 2019, and it failed. Frenworld tried taking rainbow flags to mean “A seperate place for every race” ahortly before they got banned.
Once a symbol has stuck, you cant shift it no matter how hard you try.
It was a hypothetical. Pick anything you want.
And anyways you proved my point, the “society” pushed back, ad discarded it, rather than allow it to be poisoned.
No, symbols are just hard to change. Once they have a meaning associated to them, you can’t take the meaning away. A pride flag is symbol, so ot means something. An ok hand gesture doesn’t have much beyond “ok” to it, so it can quickly be taken over and poisoned.
A drop of poison in a glass will kill you, but a drop in an lake won’t harm anyone.
That’s fine, detach from the flag and pick something else. It’s the act of repulsion I’m clarifying. If a group chooses, a poisoner has no power, they are discarded.
“Ok” meant “ok” for many years. Society allowed it to be poisoned and that is lame.
Some random database was poisoned. Nobody in actual society cares.
That’s why the ok sign is still “in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless”, even according to the ADL. Because it had, you know, a meaning associated to it …
Tbf the fact that it failed kinda proves his point, and the fact that the ok symbol is “now a nazi dogwhistle” (or, like, that whole “swastika” thing) disproves your second point.
I recently found out how they appropriated the hooked cross symbol. Now I’m streaming angry. I just finished sewing one onto the back of my Jean jacket, too.
Ah. The Pepe Frog Phenomenon.