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Unpopular opinion I guess, but I think Teams is actually pretty good at my workplace.
Coming from a Slack office is pretty damn painful when you get tossed into Teams. The lack of chat organization and chat threads is painful.
Microsoft also moves at a glacial pace. Terrible bugs float around in their products for months / years. That company doesn’t know how to ship stuff anymore. All they do is reorg product and engineering teams every 6 months, then wonder why they can ship anything on time on time.
That may be, but I’m not sure that’s a problem for a communication platform. I remember one time when they moved the share screen button around and some less tech savvy users thought the feature was removed!
Teams has something like chat threads too. E.g. you can reply to a message in a channel and it groups all replies, and you can also focus that thread if you want. But I agree it isn’t hidden “off the main topic” quite like slack threads.
At the end of the day, slack simply has a larger feature set and more options for organizing and staying engaged with conversations. Almost everyone who has clocked in significant time and Teams and Slack will tell you that.
And, unfortunately, Microsoft moves so damn slow, and prioritizes such weird crap, that they can’t seem to get some of the basics implemented.
In terms of working, I find discord best. SharePoint is incredibly slow for me, all the materials inside teams is dumped there.
Have you been forced to use “New Teams” that loves to close itself randomly throughout the day and also doesn’t allow you to pin it to the taskbar even though the option is there and selectable? It also has a permanent “Update” button at the top of the window that nags you to update but when you select it, it tells you that you’re running a newer version than what’s available.
Also constantly asks if you want to try the new teams even though you’re using the new fucking teams.
Mine decided that starting with Windows was like spitting in a baby’s eye and disabled it for everyone, now I have to remember to turn it on or write a batch file but I’d rather not because Teams is fuckered
My main gripe is that the web version only asks that once it spent ages loading the old version… And it’s not even a choice because I already switched on desktop. Can’t you just load the fucking new version to begin with?
Microsoft isn’t slacking with teams.
Teams is the fuckin worst.
At this point I prefer to Skype before I’d teams, and I hate Skype with a passion already.
Call quality is abysmal compared to meet, it’s a continuous crash, feature suddenly inexplicably doesn’t work, and what not more. There is always somebody who can’t get video turned on all of the sudden, always effin around with audio and this morning o cut off a teams call and decided to call the person by phone because that at least worked.
Fuck. Teams.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
According to three people with knowledge of the move, the European Commission is pressing ahead with a formal charge sheet against the world’s most valuable listed tech company over concerns it is restricting competition in the sector.
Microsoft last month offered concessions as it sought to avoid regulatory action, including extending a plan to unbundle Teams from other software such as Office, not just in Europe but across the world.
The EU then issued a 561 million euro fine against Microsoft for failure to comply with a decision over the bundling of the Internet Explorer browser with its Windows operating system.
The company declined to comment but referred to an earlier statement that said it would “continue to engage with the commission, listen to concerns in the marketplace, and remain open to exploring pragmatic solutions that benefit both customers and developers in Europe.”
Microsoft is also part of a handful of tech companies, including Google and Meta, caught as “gatekeepers” under the new Digital Markets Act, meaning it has special responsibilities when trading in Europe.
The tech company has also faced complaints from European cloud computing providers that are concerned that Microsoft is abusing its dominant position in the sector to force users to buy its products and squashing competition from smaller start-ups in Europe.
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MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven’t we seen this before?
Yes, I’m sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won’t forget for decades because that’s how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.
They should face The Hague for how bad Teams is. Currently I have the “option” to switch to “Classic Teams” (which needed to be a separate application because fuck-knows-why) via a toggle. When I do, it launches Classic Teams and freezes, requires another 2FA approval, or both. Then, it later closes and auto-updates to “New” Teams and I get to do the whole process again. And New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U has stupid floaty notifications that take up too much space and annoy me.
Thank you for listening…
New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U
…& Knuckles?
Oh, don’t worry. They’re ending support for old teams soon. You won’t have a choice anymore.
Not only are new teams notification banners annoying, new teams no longer makes a noise for every single notification, like it used to. I rather have a ding than a banner, especially since I tend to use all of my screen space.
New notification, old notification, either way it auto-dismisses the system notification after 5 seconds. Why? I guess they don’t trust the DE to manage notifications properly??
So my colleagues know if they send me a message I’ll get to it when I’ll get to it because I probably will have missed the notification.
What’s even the difference
Teams also sets itself to autostart with Windows, even if you choose not to, or diabale it from the startup manager, it overrides it upon next launch.
It’s the only software I’ve ever seen doing that crime against humanity.
It doesn’t for me, just turn it off.
Programs that do that are straight up malware in my opinion.
They are malware
You can turn it off
Honestly it’s kind of amazing that microsoft got authentication so wrong.
My circumstance isn’t complicated, yet I seem to be relentlessly have trouble getting access to whatever thing because it’s confused about my account.
Iirc support for Classic Teams was dropped in March (or earlier). New Teams is generally less buggy in my experience anyways, and I haven’t yet found functionality its lacking. Not sure why you’re still presented with the option to drop back, as I don’t believe I’ve seen that toggle in a while
It’s still supported under VDI environments which is why the toggle still exists at all.
Not the best rollout of a MS product but I give them credit for realizing that they needed to switch the underlying code base completely to be more efficient, and actually committing to it.
Oh? It’s not a bastardization of Skype for Business (which in turn was a bastardization of Lync) anymore?
Microsoft Team has always been a webapp
I think they were using electron and moved to webview2? They blogged about it a long while back.
Yeah, I figured it was EOL. But look for the option at the top and the toggle is there, in the current version!
New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U
Wait are you joking or is this real? That is a ridiculous name/version.
Sorry, no. I was being facetious.
I love the naming convention
Outlook -> Outlook (new)
Teams classic -> Teams (new)
…
And the bloody “new” tag in the task bar icon is driving me nuts.
And the fact that the status notification now has an area of roughly 4 pixels.
New Teams is about as successful as New Coke!
Can Teams please fuck off and take Outlook with it?
I literally have Gmail connected into Outlook at work because of how much better it is than the shitty way that Gmail deals with long threads of emails, emails with attachments, and just finding old emails in general. GSuite in general is just hot trash compared to proper Office.
Gsuite workflow is terrible. You can’t copy paste files in drive because fuck you.
Gmail chat takes forever to load. And when it loads, it defaults to search contact. So if in the meantime, you pressed the contact you want already because it takes 5 seconds to load, it goes back to the search contact.
You need to have 5 different tabs to work within the ecosystem.
Google docs is dogshit. At this point, I prefer markdown with a latex converter over Google docs.
No desktop clients for their services.
The Gdrive shared with me vs your drive is terrible.
Why do Microsoft have to welcome people to their software? Is it because they otherwise wouldn’t feel welcome using it? :P
Inclusion be like
Someone should face jail time for this piece of crap that I can’t opt out of.
And OneDrive as well. That piece of shit installed itself as the default save as location, and after removing it from my system, the save as dialogue now hangs for 20 seconds. And the policy to remove OD as a save location doesn’t work whatsoever.
How about Edge!?
What about it? Its is some much better than Chrome or Brave
- Microsoft
“USE EDGE OR WE WILL CUT YOU!”
-Microsoft in 5 years probably
More like leaked internal memo
No thanks, I’ll stick with my unpatched IE 6 instead.
If you aren’t using Netscape Navigator, what are you even doing?
which one? classic? teams for work? teams for personal?
New Classic Teams for Work, Professional Edition (New)
for enterprise!
sometimes it takes minutes to load the calendar, only to still fail
I have to use Teams as a student and we never even do video calls, just sharing files, and there are so many issues we have with it such as bugginess and no one understanding the UI.
the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.
the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.
fuck teams.
When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that’s usually a sign that there’s some kind of market failure. Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).
Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition)
That’s exactly what it is. They leveraged their dominance/monopoly in one market to gain a stranglehold on another market. It’s not exactly a new tactic for Microsoft either.
They bundle teams with o365. The cost to integrate another messaging client is more than simply adding Teams to your already expensive bundle.
It’s as simple as this really. It’s included therefore a subscribing company can just not renew a slack, Zoom, or whatever contract and say “hey we saved money”
Huh, it’s funny, my company uses Webex and I’d probably prefer Teams.
