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Ooooh, now plot the avg wage across this period. Y=min wage.
This companies are able to generate billions in profit every quarter, let alone every year. They have also been reporting record breaking profits quarter after quarter for the past several years. I’m pretty sure the 17 y/o Burger flippers aren’t the problem here.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/gross-profit
- McDonald’s gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $3.439B, a 3.77% increase year-over-year.
- McDonald’s gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $14.688B, a 9.03% increase year-over-year.
- McDonald’s annual gross profit for 2023 was $14.563B, a 10.26% increase from 2022.
- McDonald’s annual gross profit for 2022 was $13.207B, a 4.98% increase from 2021.
- McDonald’s annual gross profit for 2021 was $12.58B, a 29% increase from 2020.
[1]Average franchise profitability at Burger King rose nearly +50% last year (2023) compared to 2022
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit
- Starbucks gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $5.914B, a 0.06% decline year-over-year.
- Starbucks gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $25.104B, a 8.86% increase year-over-year.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2023 was $24.567B, a 12.01% increase from 2022.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2022 was $21.933B, a 7.93% increase from 2021.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2021 was $20.322B, a 28.43% increase from 2020.
I wonder how da fuq did McDonalds think that this is okay?
Setting aside all considerations of ethics or morality, from a pure greed standpoint even a very naive person could realize that if you squeeze the sheeple too much they may choose to go elsewhere rather than continue to rely on you for easy comfort food.
Do they think they have a monopoly on the market? Even just from the fast-food burger places that were included in this graphic, there are multiple cheaper options - Burger King and Wendy’s - plus Arby’s & Taco Bell and Chick-fil-a are somewhat similar.
Do they think that people will suddenly not care about where their money is going? That strategy tends to work when you squeeze (bleed) them slowly, but this kind of a sudden spike carries the risk of waking them up to how much eating there is costing them - and once they are gone, it would be very hard to attract them back.
So this strategy even looks to be detrimental to the company of McDonalds, even if good for the short-term stockholders & CEO before they jump elsewhere.
If I had to guess it would be for 2 reasons, humans don’t like change so people that frequently go to McD will still go, and that all humans need food and a bonus of less people know how to cook
It’s a scary thing to think these companies can just get away with shit like this but at the end of the day until we as a society boycott them - and I mean a legit boycott, not some 3 day reddit boycott - they’ll find any excuse to fuck us for profit
We’re also in a society now where 2 people or 2+jobs are REQUIRED for a “normal life” unless you’re a tech or finance bro. People just don’t have the energy or time to cook, fast food is often “on the way home” and saves well over an hour and effort.
I’m “lucky” that I’m single, in that I can cook a weeks worth of food in one day and there’s no one to complain about “this again?” In literally every other respect being single in this society for over a decade sucks.
People are resistant to change - like inertia - but if pushed enough, they will. Burger King & Wendy’s only went up 55% whereas McD went up twice that at +100%. McD could have kept their prices flat and gained business from them, remaining within their brand as the “cheap fast-food” option, but instead they seem poised to lose it? Well, I guess we will see.
Yeah, it is scary to see just how evil they - b/c with profits like you showed, they did not have to increase them all, so the fact that they not only did but did by that much is somewhat shocking.
so people that frequently go to McD will still go
Right there.
Double your prices, lose 49% of your customers - you’re winning. And restaurants are less busy? Fewer staff needed? Winnning ($$$$)
random images found online (couldn’t find one for individual/personal income & wage, only household). i could plug it into matplotlib but i’m lazy
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That chart is evil. First two ticks represent 5 years. Ticks 2-3 represent 2 years. The last two ticks represent 2 1/2-3 years!
Also, what’s so magical about 2014 that it deserves to be the baseline? I’d love to see this extended back to, oh, 2006 or so. Sometime before the Great Recession.
Finally, what about shrinkflation? I used to order from Panera on a regular basis, but during the pandemic, it seemed like their sandwiches shrank a little bit more between every order. At this point, I don’t think it’s even worth ordering from them.
JFC I didn’t even notice the x axis at first glance.
The time line doesn’t matter since it is only comparing different brands to inflation, not against time. You could stretch the graph but the comparison will stay the same.
2014 is just chosen as a starting point. Most probably because the info was readily available. You can make the same graph starting from any point in time and the conclusion of the graph wouldn’t change.
Hard disagree on both points. If the time line doesn’t matter, why include it? It would be simpler to just plot the endpoints.
As for the conclusion, what if McDonalds kept prices the same from 2004-2014, but Popeyes doubled prices over the same time period? The final plots for 2024 would be in a different order. It would be a different conclusion. Unless nobody changed prices at all before 2014, you’ll have a different final result.
The timeline gives a general reference point. You’re right they could mostly just include 2014 and the final year as well. No big deal in my opinion since they don’t try to emphasize the price points at each year (as only a vague idea is given based on the line).
In terms of your second point, what if from '99 to 2003, Mcdonald’s had doubled their prices? the graph would be the same? We can keep going back until each business’s complete history, but I feel this graph tells enough of a story: Both brands increased their product costs a certain amount from the dates indicated.
Not to mention that a huge number of these businesses are locally owned franchises, where the parent corporation has less control over menu prices.
Many franchises are bound by a specific cost structure and predefined distribution.
And most franchises are required to purchase their raw ingredients from the parent corporation, which means that even if they choose to be flexible on their prices their baseline costs are still set by a global conglomerate.
It’s been maddening to watch people call price-gouging “inflation”, honestly.
That’s not fucking inflation when someone in the supply chain made things more expensive and pocketed the difference as a wider profit margin; it’s the symptom of non-enforcement of antitrust laws.
I mean, most foodstuffs markets (in the supply chain between farm and grocer or farm -> restaurant) are controlled by very few people or corporations; when the farmers get less for their products but the grocer must pay more for them, that’s not inflation. It’s price-gouging, the symptom of the kinds of market failures that follow regulatory failures to prevent corporate mergers that would reduce competition in those markets.
When you look at food, fuel, housing, the enshittification of basically everything, the acquisition of yesterday’s hot-fresh-streaming services and re-packaging them to be just as predatory as the cable was when you cut the cord and went to streaming- it’s all what we get when private equity owns a piece of everything and they’re running it all to squeeze more out of everyone they can, and they also ensure regulators don’t do a damned thing about it.
There was once a time when regulators had the will to block corporate mergers, and they had the will to tax windfall profits at 100%.
If anything this tells me that that inflation number is bullshit.
Taco Bell is fucking ridiculous now. A single grilled cheese burrito on its own is over $10. The other burritos are 3 to 4 bucks as well. The entire point of Taco Bell is that it’s supposed to be cheap garbage food you order at 1AM on a weekend after smoking a bowl, and that’s no longer feasible. Now it’s expensive garbage food. Nevermind that they also got rid of half the menu.
I’m lucky that I live in a town with about 2 billion taco trucks that are all insanely better and cheaper than Taco Bell. Plus, Taco Bell tastes like a Midwestern white lady’s version of Mexican food, which made it easy to avoid even when it wasn’t so expensive.
$10? Where? They’re $4.79 here by me in Chicago.
Southern Ontario. It’s in CAD.
The only good deal for Taco Bell is taco Tuesday deal. 5 dollars for 3 tacos and a drink. They got a build your own box that’s a good deal too, but everything else is so expensive.
Shit Wendy’s used to have good mobile deals and now they are mostly trash. That new CEO that wanted surge pricing on burgers is fucking up everything with Wendy’s for me.
I’m at a place where the local Mexican restaurant has better dinner deals Mon-Thurs than any fast food around me. Depending on the day it’s like $7-$10. I just gotta watch my drinking there.
I just get the build your own meal for like $5 and get a crunch wrap supreme 4 layer burrito or whatever and nachos and a drink. Idk why someone would bother paying that much for fast food
When I was in college, I could fill up on three bean burritos at Taco Bell for $1.81 out the door. Del Taco was cheaper at $1.50.
That was thirty years ago, but still. I don’t know how to explain it, but it felt a whole lot easier to dig up that kind of pocket change back then than it does to dig up whatever it costs today.
Now it’s 3-4 bucks per burrito here. And it’s still garbage food.
Could under reporting of real inflation that consumers feel be a factor here?
I’m sure these companies are exploiting consumers, but I’ve also been suspicious of the reported inflation numbers. It feels a lot higher than that and actually it could be more in line with the companies in the graph.
Maybe it’s not the fast food prices that are high but the inflation number that is too low.
That’s a valid concern and I was wondering the same thing, but as of now, unless something leaks saying that they where lying, this is all we have to go on
but I’ve also been suspicious of the reported inflation numbers
Check the purchasing power of your money against hard assets like gold, stocks, land, housing, etc. “Inflation” numbers we get are CPI numbers, and those are intentionally doctored to show lower “inflation” values. For starters, they assume “stable” prices that don’t change are normal. That is a lie as prices should be going down all the time due to improved production processes. Once you realize inflation is underreported and that wages don’t even keep up with that…
My point exactly. I understand that some people feel the numbers are calculated very consistently, and I guess that’s fine, but does it really reflect what consumers are feeling? I don’t think so. Plus, inflation has been a hot button political issue. A healthy skepticism feels appropriate.
MIT used to have the Billion Prices Project which tried to determine inflation numbers independently of the government, but it no longer exists. My recollection is that it was generally close to the official numbers.
If you think the reported numbers are wrong, you have to give a reason why, backed with evidence. As much as it sucks when rent and food, etc. are more expensive, but those are only part of the number. Inflation encompasses everything and some goods/services are higher than the average number and some are lower. For instance, car insurance has gone up a ton, but apparently fuel oil has gone down (https://econofact.org/inflation-and-prices).
I think what people are (rightly) concerned about is that the necessities of life are higher than the official numbers (because those are an average of lots of things). This makes them think the real numbers are “wrong” based their specific situation rather than the country at large.
Oh wow, it’s almost as if allowing the 0.001 to try and accumulate infinite wealth is a bad idea. Who could’ve guessed?
I mean, I could name a few people… Bernie Sanders, AOC, Robert Reich, the list goes on:-).
God this makes me so want to eat the rich!
My wife is charging me 140% more for dinner now, prices are getting insane!
Probably because all food prices has outpaced inflation. If you’ve done any grocery shopping in the past two years between shrinkflation and price increases many food items have doubled in price.
The right wing always assumes everything is a government conspiracy and the left wing assumes everything is a corporate conspiracy and neither group bothers to think about any other reason for things like this.
But before blaming the government for “printing money” (when the central banks have done the opposite by raising interest rates) or assuming every grocery store in the world got together to raise prices all at once, maybe we should consider other factors.
There could be food supply issues. Given this is a global phenomena, we should consider global food supply problems.
One thing that could cause global food supply is if there was a war in a part of the war that normally exports a large percentage of a staple food to the rest of the world. Where is wheat and grain normally produced? Is there a war happening there?
The fun thing about economics is the idea of substitutes. Bread is more expensive now? Just have more rice. Grain is too expensive for cattle feed? Mix in some more corn. If you’re the only one doing these tricks to reduce your food costs, it works really well. But unfortunately everyone is substituting which results on food prices across the board going up.
Also Climate Change does have an effect on agriculture. Droughts and floods mean less food is produced. So places which were reliable fields for farming aren’t so reliable anymore. So while the war in Ukraine will eventually be resolved which will put some downward pressure on food prices, climate change will continuously be putting an upward pressure on the price of food.
I only trust Campbell tomato soup
I’m surprised the two lowest ones are Subway and Starbucks. Where’s the $5 foot long? And I guess Starbucks has always been expensive so $6 for a coffee isn’t much of an increase from what it was.
I was surprised too, but then I found this vvv. This people are making 25 billion profit which now makes sense for the comparatively low percentage
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit
- Starbucks gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $5.914B, a 0.06% decline year-over-year.
- Starbucks gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2024 was $25.104B, a 8.86% increase year-over-year.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2023 was $24.567B, a 12.01% increase from 2022.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2022 was $21.933B, a 7.93% increase from 2021.
- Starbucks annual gross profit for 2021 was $20.322B, a 28.43% increase from 2020.
The $5 footlong hasn’t existed for years (honestly maybe a decade) at this point. It’s like a $10 footlong now.
And they’ll blame Biden.
Geez what happened in 2020 … Oh right.
Taxes on the wealthy went down with Trump in charge.
