Los foros de internet están desapareciendo porque ahora todo es Reddit y Discord. Y eso es preocupante
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Hubo un tiempo en que los foros de discusión eran nuestras redes sociales. Los usuarios visitaban aquellos que se ajustaban a cierta temática y eso les...
  • Pantherina@feddit.deEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Discourse is awesome. Just needs federation.

    As a mod, it is lovely to work with, extremely well indexed, has tags, categories, roles and everything you want.

    Everything should be done there. Matrix or Discord make no sense, its just chatting into nirvana, nobody every finds it again

    And people… dont… use… threads! They just spam everything in a single chat which makes it unusable

  • Peddlephile@lemm.eeEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Welcome to the new era of enshittification where you’ll eventually have to subscribe to access or make posts, and none of it will be searchable on any search engines.

    • GreatAlbatross@feddit.ukEnglish
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      13 days ago

      And the shoe will probably drop at some point. Something like “communities must have nitro to access posts from more than 6 months ago”.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      13 days ago

      New?

      Anyway, I think all this is a result of thieves in governments becoming conscious of how the Web works and breaking it with the means they have - helping corps and making litigation more and more likely for anything small and well-behaving, because of failing to remove something etc.

      It just makes sense. In 2005 with all the problems with search engines of that time, and with having to use web directories and ask people, you had a lot of information at the tips of your fingers. You could read a lot of things about people who would prefer to do their stuff more confidentially, like mafia bosses and bureaucrats and politicians.

    • Hoomod@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      Commenting/making posts has always required an account of some sort, at least as far back as I can remember. Maybe the IRC days you just needed a name

  • Irelephant@lemm.eeEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Discourse is a great server, i see a lot of places with their own forum now, which is good.

  • BrightCandle@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    12 days ago

    I feel like we need a better model. Reddits/Lemmys algorithm makes long conversations impossible and forums make long conversations dominate and this causes a lot of additional disruption. There has to be a design that meets a middle ground that can take over which better represents both the ephemeral nature of news and article discussion while also supporting a number of long standing more detailed discussions which expel low effort content.

  • cumskin_genocide@lemm.eeEnglish
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    12 days ago

    Mods all over the Internet killed forums with their bullshit. The users too. You can’t tame the mob and the users drag their shit on the carpet like a dog doing the scuttle.

    Take a look at the shit show of the Neogaf/Resetera split as an example.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I’m particularly concerned about companies who have effectively outsourced their tech support to Social Media.

    I am a Google Fi subscriber, and their customer support is so abysmal that a Google employee started up a “Reddit Request” system for Redditors to use to escalate support requests.

    When I quit Reddit in a huff over the APIcalypse, the main thing that led me to not delete my account was the notion that if I ever had issues with Fi, and didn’t have an active Reddit account with sufficient karma to be believed, my issue may never get enough attention to be fixed.

    • Aeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      I got banned for something really stupid and they denied my appeal so now I’m kinda just fucked for a lot of stuff, that is too much power for one site to have.

      FWIW All I said was “I should be allowed to punch nazis” and I’ve seen way worse things than that said and not actioned on by reddit. (Even when reported)

      There are entire communities that “glorify violence” that they do nothing about.

    • DJDarren@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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      14 days ago

      Like many others who no longer use Twitter or Facebook, one of the biggest impacts to me is suddenly not having a reasonably proactive way to contact companies for support. It’s amazing how many companies have offloaded their support staff to half a dozen overworked social media operators. Try phoning and you’ll get “busier than usual” phone lines, and if you can even find an email address it’ll auto-reply to say that it’s no longer monitored.

      It’s a shit show.

      • AbidanYre@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        14 days ago

        At a certain point that “unusual call volume” is just the standard call volume. They just don’t want to hire more support folks.

    • AbidanYre@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      Have you been to Facebook lately? It’s like 90% AI spam of “why don’t pictures like this trend” with some body horror Jesus.

  • 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Hey guys not to be a downer but like…what DO we do when a federated instance goes down and takes all its content with it?

    • BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      If you search back far enough on some lemmy instances that have defederated others, you’ll find ghosts of old content from those defederated servers, but it’s all local to whatever instance you’re viewing it on. A large amount of the content from the server that went down should also exist on the servers that server was federated with.

      These lemmy instances have got to start running out of storage though, I haven’t heard of any kind of automated purging. I’d bet someone somewhere is already working on an archive lemmy.

      • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Speaking explicitly of text, they can likely be compressed to an insane degree instead of purged, if someone wanted to. For comparison, the entirety of Wikipedia (text only) is ~22GB.

      • GreatAlbatross@feddit.ukEnglish
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        13 days ago

        Just for context, the full database of feddit.uk compresses down to about 4GB. I am not sure what’s going to happen to the ghosts long term, but I don’t think storage will be a huge issue.

    • Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      13 days ago

      So this pretty much happened with feddit.de

      The admin took off for a business trip and his backup forgot the password and locked himself out. Now the admin seems to have vanished and the server shit itself, making all previously posted pictures unavailable.

      The solution is that a bunch of lemmings are forming a “Verein” (Kind of Like a club I suppose?) and will build an entirely new German instance.

      So, it’s not pretty.

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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        12 days ago

        If someone hasn’t written a software package to do so already, it’s probably possible to write one to dump and clone all the comments and posts on a server.

        • Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          12 days ago

          The comments fortunately are still there, but the images are all gone. They had some trouble that was image-related which led to the server collapsing at some stage. I can’t recall the specifics unfortunately.

  • Blackout@kbin.run
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    14 days ago

    I wouldn’t blame those 2. Forums have been dying since Myspace and Facebook. The specialized ones like the machinist and woodworking ones I belong to are going strong. So are the firearm related ones.

  • christophski@feddit.ukEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I’ve said this before, the thing I hate about reddit and discord is that you only get exposed to “current” threads or “top” threads. On old forums everything was just there and if someone commented on it, it came back to the top and re-ignited conversations.

    I was a big user of the command and conquer forums and I definitely miss the community of it. But that may just be the scale of Internet then compared to now. Back then you saw the same users every day and we ended up chatting on msn and working on projects together. I couldn’t tell you any users on my instance or elsewhere other than the admins of my instance.

  • AmidFuror@fedia.io
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    14 days ago

    I wish there were alternatives to Reddit. If anyone has a recommendation, let me know.

  • KryptonBlur@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I was very happy to find when I was getting involved in a project that it was mostly organised/discussed on their forum, it makes it so much nicer and more accessible

  • mtchristo@lemm.eeEnglish
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    14 days ago

    We need help communities on Lemmy. That’s what is going to make it rank in SEO and fly. Communities like software help (office, adobe creative products, etc), financial help and advice. And ask docs communities.

    Memes won’t help SEO rank.