Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS against a man but is undefeated against women so far, so let’s hope that changes. For America, and the rest of the world, he better not win.
Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS
Sooo we can expect the system of white landowning men to win again this time, much as it pains me to say
I don’t think that’s fair to say, I’m white and a landowner and I can’t stand the guy.
Beating women does seem to be on-Brand for him…
he’d* better not win
Way more people than that have lost in the general election (hundreds, if not thousands), including Cynthia McKinney in 2008 as the most successful black female loser, but plenty of other black women have lost the general election.
From wikipedia:
Charlene Alexander Mitchell (June 8, 1930 – December 14, 2022) was an American international socialist, feminist, labor and civil rights activist. In 1968, she became the first Black woman candidate for President of the United States.[1][2]
Oh hey just remembered there was an incident like that in 1880 or so. White woman kicked off the ballot but still ran depending on definition
Kinda depends on how you are measuring it.
It sounds like you are just going by elected presidents, but quite a few were multiple-term presidents, and those presidents had multiple elections with different opponents.
And sometimes, a losing opponent would go on to win a later election.
Also, no one ran against George Washington, twice.
Out of 59 elections (if you include Washington), I think there have been 49 white guys and one white lady who have lost a US Presidential election at least once (and may or may not have gone on to be President in a later election).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
I am exactly as fun at parties as you would imagine.
It’s also technically a lot more if you remember that we do in fact have several marginalized parties running in every general election.
And multiple candidates per party who lose during the primary stage.
I get the feeling in OPs post, but for those unfamiliar, there are more people on the ballot other than the 2 main picks. This even varies by state, as they can have different criteria for defining who makes it to the ballot.
So perhaps a black woman has at some point ran for president (as in, made it to the ballot at least)?
Hell, at least one, Shirley Chisholm, campaigned to be on the Democrat ballot in 1977. That counts as running for president, even if they don’t win the primary right?
That’s why I specified “general”. I’m not sure a Black woman was ever on a general election ballot
I’m not sure it’s happened in a general though. Maybe a super small party but I’m not aware of a Green or Libertarian candidate that was Black
Cynthia McKinney?
Ignoring how meaningless the statement is in the first place, obligatory XKCD.
Interestingly, if Kamala wins, that last streak will still hold true.
STONKS
Well, maybe we can make a little progress this year.
Maybe if Michelle gets the nomination. Kamala isn’t black.
What really bugs me is that both sides are just attacking the other rather than talking about why they are the right choice. US elections are always about smear campaigns
There was a time, a few decades ago, when there was a real demand to get away from the negativity of most campaigns. Everyone says they wanted it, polls clearly showed it, etc.
But then there was another study which analyzed the effectiveness of campaigns (i.e. if they won) vs how negative they went.
Negativity was clearly proven to be the winning tactic.
From what I see most elections always are.
It’s not what I’m used to in the Netherlands. There are personal attacks sometimes, but mostly by guys who don’t have the best reputation in the first place.
This is most of my memory of Canadian elections too. I wish even mentioning other parties wasn’t allowed in campagin material, like how in some parts of government politicians can only refer to each other by title and not by name.
Ok, but then who informs the public about the other party actually doing something bad
Debates and actually adressing the problems.
You can’t say “Party X just wants your money”, try “Our party will help you keep your money”, or even “Unlike some parties today, we will put your taxes to good use”.
It’s a lot harder to make a compelling attack without a concrete focus. “Some parties are corrupt” is so trivially true that’s it embarassing, but “Party X is corrupt” is a rallying cry.
It won’t prevent lies by any means, but since specific claims can only be nade about your own party it gives an advantage to talking about your own party instead of every ad being incredibly negative claims one step off of a flame war. Hopefully that leads to building a strong case and then defending that case during debates, but at least the ads will have less direct negativity.
It would be more positive, but potentially less accurate. A party that does a lot of very specific and bad stuff but has some vaguely good policies to point towards would beat a neutral party, even if they shouldn’t.
Maybe if you only see the political ads of a single party. It would still be better because you would know of even a single stance of one party.
Last election, I can’t remember a single actual stance taken by any party based on political ads. They were all attack ads. Without discussion you couldn’t separate the resonable accusations from the trash anyway.
Basing your politocal opinions purely on ads is a terrible stance anyway, and the party best at fearmongering will win there. There aren’t any restrictions on ads that can fix people forming opinions only on ads anyway, we’d need to encourage public political debates and discourse instead.
I remember the first election I was old enough to vote in (the 2004 election) paying close attention to all the political ads I saw and, at least for that election, only the Republican ads were focused on “other guy bad, so vote me.” The opposing side’s ads were entirely focused on their own platform and never even mentioned the other side.
I have also never lost an Olympics, or lost a Formula 1 race, or lost a fight against Mike Tyson, or lost the Super Bowl.
This is your year dude, good luck in Paris!
Cynthia McKinney lost in 2008.
Sample size too small, please try again in 1000 years.
Bold of you to think the yanks will have a good enough sample size in 1000 years
I hate both sides so neither get a vote from me
Can’t you vote for anyone else then?
I’ll write in big chungus
Doesn’t really matter what you write in. The higher the % is for votes on non of the candidates, the more likely is the change.
I’ll tickle your pickle if you vote for me
Ok then, if you don’t vote then you don’t get to complain about the government or politics. Thems the rules.
I can do whatever I want. What are you gonna do about it?
