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Intel’s stock dropped around 30% overnight, shaving some $39 billion from the company’s market capitalization since rumors of a pending layoff first emerged. The devastating results come after the chip giant reported a loss for the second quarter, complained about yield issues with the Meteor Lake CPU, provided a modest business outlook for the next few quarters, and announced plans to lay off 15,000 people worldwide.
When the NYSE closed on July 31, Intel’s market capitalization was $130.86 billion. Then, a report about Intel’s massive layoffs was published, and the company’s market capitalization dropped sharply to $123.96 billion on August 1. Following Intel’s financial report yesterday, the company’s capitalization dropped to $91.86 billion. Essentially, Intel has lost half of its capitalization since January. As of now, Intel’s market value is a fraction of Nvidia’s worth and less than half of AMD’s.
As Intel’s actions look rather desperate, analysts believe that Intel’s challenges are existential. “Intel’s issues are now approaching the existential,” Stacy Rasgon, an analyst with Bernstein, told Reuters.
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Smart people saw this coming.
Sanctions were supposed to stop China’s semiconductor industry. The opposite happened.
Sanctions were never supposed to stop china’s semiconductor industry. They were to stop/slow down China from acquiring chips short term. This is quite a strawman argument.
They didn’t slow China.
Again, sanctions were on chips and import lithography. They have lots of trouble importing Nvidia chips, or at least more cost. Of course the country where a lot of chips are made will continue making chips. But while Taiwan was putting 3nm chips in phones a year ago, China is producing 5nm headlines, chips on mass scale yet to be seen.
What did people expect, China to go back to the stone age?
Intel doesn’t even make 5nm chips. SMIC is making 5nm chips less than 2 years after the sanctions that were meant to stop at 14nm.
You can spin this all you want.
Intel? The company that’s been failing for 5 years and lost 30% of it value in one day? That Intel?
Ni hao, comrade.
The one that ran-off with taxpayers’ money, yes.
I never imagined a world where Intel was the little fish. Wild
Complacency does that to you
Nokia knows
It’s not everyday that I’m thankful that grandma didn’t leave me $700,000 but today is one of those days
And people will continue to buy the 14900k and have the shocked pikachu face.
🙄 not everyone is a cs nerd. Jesus some good victim blaming here lol
They aren’t victims they’re rubes lol
Since the 5800X3D It’s been known that AMD delivers similar or better performance than Intel’s top-of-the-line chips with far lower power usage and cheaper prices.
Knowing that why would anyone buy the inferior product?
Well a lot of products have these things in them and a lot of people have no clue they are getting sold a defective product. This is all on intel, do not blame the customer because the big corporation is selling defective goods.
More than that, for years it has been eating more and more watts and the electricity prices went up… But still , most simp for Intel 💀
wow
Intel should merge with Boeing
More than that, for years their CPUs have been eating more and more watts and the electricity prices went up… Just keep them on par with AMD CPUs… But still , most default to Intel…
Brutal, nearly the lowest since 2008. Makes me want to buy in at this point.
I found Jim Cramer.
Don’t worry, tomorrow the market is closed!
The market does tend to overreact so this is possible a sign to buy low. I can’t be bothered to check the fundamenals but it seems unlikely that amd is a better investment long term. If you are not looking at least 5 years to the future stocks are a bad idea.
OTOH: Boeing. Had the 737 Max bug been a one-off incredibly bad fuck up, they would have been a good buy. Then it turned out that that bug was just the first sign of many deep seated issues with their production process. Boeing 100% deserves everything they’re getting. Management skipped right over lawful, chaotic, and neutral evil and went into stupid evil, and decided that sacrificing QC/QA on aerospace equipment would be a great way to get returns for shareholders.
Haha stupid evil
I’ll use that any time I think about politicians as well. Trademark that fast mate
Fundamentals: Intel powers the US military industrial complex, they’ll weather this storm.
AMD is super hot right now. Not in a good way.
I bought AMD at $8/share (and am still holding it), and I’m getting a similar vibe from Intel now…
I bought AMD at $8/share (and am still holding it)
Wow, I’d have dropped that hot potato ages ago.
I am glad I didn’t lol. Still not, the datacenter GPUs are something else, and so is their multi-chip design prowess.
When I had to flash my BIOS and pray that it didn’t brick my PC I cursed them, saying “Fuck Intel, I hope their stock plummets!”
You’re welcome everyone.
can you do reddit next please
Everyone’s acting like this guy said he’s taking requests.
Tiktok afterwards please.
Ticketmaster
Then all oil companies
Let’s do these before everything else
Can you tell a guy first, I could have shorted
Fucking good! I know it’s not the primary reason, but it’s by high time that people see laying off 15k people as a bad thing and the company suffering for it.
I fear it’s wishful thinking that the layoffs are what made the stock tank. It’s certainly never hurt anyone else…
I think it made an already bad situation worse.
I think the AI thing has really caught them off guard. There’s a gold rush and they have no real shovels to sell.
Intel’s only hope now is for the Chinese army to go for a holiday in Taiwan. Their competitors are hugely reliant on TSMC. That’s been brewing forever though, and hopefully will continue to not come to anything. The last thing the world needs right now is more fucking war…
layoffs are what made the stock tank
Yeah, it’s usually the opposite: Layoffs by themselves usually make the stock go up, as the company is reducing their expenses.
The issue with Intel is that they announced layoffs combined with a bad earnings call, so it’s a sign the company isn’t going so well.
The layoffs were announced at the same time as Intel’s Q2 financial results: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/actions-accelerate-our-progress.html
The actions we are taking will make Intel a leaner, simpler and more agile company.
Oof, now agile bullshit talk is infecting the lingo of the c-suite and being used as justification to do layoffs. I should’ve seen that coming, though I must’ve skipped the portion of the agile manifesto that said to choose Lamborghinis over employees.
Yep, that’ll do it.
They’re not even bothered by the fucked up chips.
yet
I was gonna say… how is it not this? Weird world.
I’m guessing those chips are a tiny fraction of Intel’s revenue.
AMD have been eating their lunch on more than just gaming PCs.
But think about all those stock buy backs.
Didnt they spend 40 billion last ten years?
How much is federal government giving them?
Asking for a friend.
Disgusting welfare queens
And to think I grew up at a time when Intel reigned supreme. My my.
I grew up in an era where IBM reign supreme.
A decade ago, it dipped to 1990s level but now it’s pretty up there in value again.
I don’t understand tech company stocks at all.
If you consider inflation, it makes more sense. IBM is nowhere near it was before
Yes, it seems like people always forget about inflation. Okay yes your one milion will be two millions in 14 years at 5% yearly but it will be worth only 1.25 million corrected for inflation so you just made 25% over 14 years. And that’s for just 3% year to year inflation.
So companies must at least grow by inflation rate to stay afloat.
Inflation is a word that haunts me to be honest. It is 8% here right now. Which means value of money will be halved in 9 years
Oh how the mighty have fallen
I can still recall my first PC, I used to love smashing the turbo button. No fucking clue what it did, but it sure was fun to press!
Best button ever!
It slowed down the CPU.
This will happen to the whole tech industry. Once people realise that Moores law is dead. Intel is just the beginning and „A.I.“ will not safe them.
If I got a snickers every time I heard moore law is dead I’d be obese.
Any moment now, any moment.
As every gambler knows: A trend is your friend.
And we live in a casino economy.
Seems pretty alive to me.
Intel also released two generations of CPUs that just die under heavy loads.
But surely the desktop PC market is going to bounce back soon
Any day now
They’re still around, and will be for business, gaming etc for a long time. The desktop isn’t going away.
These fucking idiots. All they had to do was pretend they gave a fuck about the chip debacle and play everything slowly. They couldn’t even do that. They couldn’t even pretend to give a fuck about anyone. Neither their customers nor their employees.
If they replaced the C-suite with the custodial staff, they would be in a significantly better position than they are now. Executives are always dumb as fuck, with very few exceptions. Pre-requisites for the job: narcisism, sociopathy and idiocy.
If they replaced the C-suite with the custodial staff, they would be in a significantly better position than they are now. Executives are always dumb as fuck, with very few exceptions. Pre-requisites for the job: narcisism, sociopathy and idiocy.
Are we still talking about Intel, or…?
The funny thing is that there are executives who know what they’re doing, but they may be outvoted by people who failed upward due to connections or a “good background” (ivy league, internship, etc.).
I always thought “what does a brand name education prove?” This isn’t the 1800s. Community college now is almost as good as Harvard was in the 1800s. Back then, just being able to read meant that you were educated.
Also, what does an internship prove? You know how to carry 8 coffees at once? You can wear a cheap suit? No, it’s all cover for connections. If businesses wanted the best people (say the top 10%) you could literally just set up a table outside a subway station and interview random commuters, getting probably 10 good prospects in a day.
Ivy League, internships etc. prove exactly what you are critizising. They prove to have the connections. They prove to be part of the in-group. They prove that you will defend your class interests against the lower classes. And if you are one of the very few people who achieve upwards class mobility, they prove that you will be betraying them.
This is not about running the best company or running the best economy. It is about maintaining class power and privilege.
This is not about running the best company or running the best economy. It is about maintaining class power and privilege.
I understand your point, but neo-marxist perspectives like this fundamentally misunderstand what companies care about (for obvious reasons). No company cares about “class power” or “privilege” because shareholders only care about their own money.
Their “class” is not important when it comes to investing. If they could fire all the nepo babies and use AI instead, they would do it in 1 second.
Their “class” is not important when it comes to investing. If they could fire all the nepo babies and use AI instead, they would do it in 1 second.
Firing the nepo babys remains consistent with being the owning class. And they put the nepo babies so they dont have to put rising middle and lower class people there.
It’s not. Investors literally only care about money.
Rich people don’t have “class consciousness” because they all want to be better and richer than other rich people. That’s what “keeping up with the Joneses” (or Kardashians) is. You don’t want the Joneses to improve, because that hurts you.
It’s a zero-sum game at the top. If your neighbor buys a Mercedes, you need to buy a Maserati. Like I said, neo-marxism fundamentally misunderstands rich people.
Rich people don’t think these things consciously. The wealthy don’t think, “How can I best ensure the worker class remains oppressed?” They simply act selfishly, and their actions together with the actions of other selfish people lead naturally to oppression.
Until they get wealthy enough to buy politicians, at which point it does consciously become “How can I best ensure the worker class remains oppressed?”
I think you misunderstand rich people. Why do you think they make PACs? Why do you think they make Ivy Leagues and send their kids there? Why do you think they keep up all these illusions. Do you think they are too stupid to realize that you can get an equivalent education for a fraction of that money?
That’s communism.
Lot’s of isms
Like stupidism!
