If you ask me, I’m upset no one picked up that this consideration was sexist and racist, although it is indeed the best choice for her to win, which reflects how bad US can’t get over race and gender.

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    Almost all VPs are DEI hires.

    Trump chose Pence because he had government experience and his religious conservatism helped reassure the GOP’s religious voters.

    Biden choosing Harris:

    Biden committed to selecting a woman as his running mate … He noted that his selection would likely be younger than he is

    Obama choosing Biden:

    Obama recalled that he and his advisers Axelrod and Plouffe wondered if voters would accept a ticket of “two relatively young, inexperienced, and liberal civil rights attorneys” and ultimately Obama felt the contrast between him and Biden was a strength, and that Biden being older than Obama would reassure those voters who were concerned that Obama was too young to be president

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection

    Bush Jr. choosing Cheney

    By picking Cheney, Bush had a running mate who had years of experience as well as an extensive foreign policy expertise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Republican_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection

    Clinton was an exception:

    In making the selection, Clinton emphasized Gore’s experience with foreign policy and environmental issues.[1] Clinton’s choice of a fellow young southern centrist defied conventional wisdom

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Democratic_Party_vice_presidential_candidate_selection

    This pattern goes through the years. If the presidential candidate is a northerner, they often pick a southerner. If he’s old, he chooses a younger VP candidate. If he’s from a wealthy background, he chooses someone who has a more humble background. If he lacks political experience, he chooses someone who has it. If he lacks international experience, he chooses someone who has it.

    All VPs are DEI hires, at least to some extent. It’s accepted that if the two candidates are too similar that the ticket will fail.

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      If he lacks political experience, he chooses someone who has it. If he lacks international experience, he chooses someone who has it.

      I mean, this just sounds like good teamwork

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        Fundamentally DEI is about good teamwork. You want a diverse team of people with different backgrounds and experiences.

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    it’s a catch 22 situation where you can’t have two minority picks because ostensibly, that would be DEI, but specifically picking a white guy for DEI is ostensibly not DEI because you’re picking the best candidate for the role.

    i don’t really think it’s any deeper than the fact that tim walz was literally the perfect pick, he just happens to be white. I’m not sure you would be able to find an equally beloved and respected pick other than him.

    like, just so we’re on the same page here, it’s not a bad thing that she picked a white guy, it quite literally broadens and diversifies her running, i believe she also wants to appoint more diverse office candidates as well, so we’ll probably see less white people there inevitably.

    at the end of the day, it is what it is. You push for diversity in picking someone like Kamala, you also have to do the same thing for white people as well. It’s all strategic at the end of the day, they wouldn’t have done it if it didn’t make any sense.

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      I don’t know man…sometimes politics DO do things that doesn’t make sense.

      In fact, most of politics these past 8 years have left me scratching my head.

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    You could also argue that he was hired for representation. The goal is not to get as many black women into power as possible, but to keep the congress diverse. So ideally, there would be half men, half women, some significant fraction black, and so on.

    She could have picked another woman as a VP, and it would not have been too bad. But from a diversity perspective, it is better to represent more parts of the population in these positions.

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      This. I don’t understand why people think diversity is a bad thing. True democracy and progress comes when everyone is well represented and everyone’s opinions are heard.

      With that said we have a lot of institutional barriers that need to be utterly demolished before the people will actually be heard. We have a long way to go, and the first step is to participate in your local elections and vote for the people who actually listen.

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        I understand why affirmative action is needed to somehow bring back some fairness and equality, but it is just sad that it is accepted as a permanent feature of a system that is systemically racist/mysoginist. It prevents tackling the root causes and investing in a free education system which is the only way to fix this on the long run. But anyway we have science fiction movies and series that do it right… I mean the fact that e.g. a ticket Harris/AOC is science fiction saddens me

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          It’s not preventing solving the root cause. It’s helping put people in power who can attempt to solve it by for example investing in free education. Unless you put enough such people through education into the halls of power, you can’t hope that someone from the winner class of the system would do things to hurt their children from having such advantage to win. And then you have people who constantly and actively oppose any such actions. So things are improving but there still aren’t enough people in the halls of power to do the work needed to root out these problems.

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        I would love to see Gretchen Whitmer but reality says we are (hopefully) ready for a woman in charge, two is sadly pushing it. Maybe in 20-40 years, it will be something to see before I die. (I’m 50). But I’m estatic about Walz!!! He so… wholesome? “Perfect”? Perfect fit. So warm and compassionate. And the ticket has GenX! We are FINALLY represented! 💙

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        The implication is they are chosen due to their demographics instead of merit/experience, and it “just so happens” white men are only where they are due to merit and not because they were hired/chosen/etc. based on their demographics

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    He was clearly chosen for the votes he’s likely to bring in. That’s smart strategy on Harris’ part.
    As near as I can tell “the media” spent a few days wildly guessing about who her VP pick would be and many of them where white males. There are many articles that predicted that she would pick a white male but I couldn’t find any that argued that it should be a consideration.

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    To be fair, visible representation is arguably kind of the job description of (or part of) a head of state.

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    I didn’t consider his gender and race and I liked his policies, until I read about aipac and Palestine.

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    Every democratic ticket that’s won the presidency this century has been a mixed race ticket. If I had to guess, this election is gonna be a big win for democrats, and if they have any intelligence whatsoever, they’ll keep their presidential tickets mixed race for a while in the future. Some people will just always prefer to vote for their own race.

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      Bush Cheney was not mixed race. I never considered anything other than policy, and tbf I need to see more.

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    Yes because a black woman needs a white man to “balance” the fact… :)

    America is a very strange country.

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      It’s politics. People literally make a living polling people about shit like this. It may not be right or even correct.

      But it’s just where America is right now.

      It’s progress. A little at a time.

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      You shouldn’t eliminate someone just because they are a 60 year old white guy. He has an extensive track record of getting progressive policies passed with a 1 vote majority. By your logic, no one should be touting Bernie who is just as white and older.

      He’s not even a boomer, he’s gen x.

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      i mean, yeah, if you’re trying to balance representation, why wouldn’t you pick a white VP pick as a black candidate. Considering that probably 70% of the US population is white, it seems like a reasonable choice to me.

      i’m not sure what the intention of your comment is here, but i’m a little conflicted about it. Maybe i’m missing something.

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    Yeah, so was Biden when he was VP.

    Everyone knows this, I do t know why so many people are treating it like a revelation. Mainstream news was openly saying it as soon as she announced she was running.

    Her VP would be an older white guy for “diversity” of the ticket.

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      meanwhile, trump who will claim he’s “most qualified” for the job, REFUSES to let his college transcripts go public. i’m going to go out on a limb (except, not) and say he cheated his way through college, as with everything else, OR he’s a straight D student, hilariously

      this is of course ignoring all the lying, raping, treasoning, failed businesses, failed presidencies, and other wannabe con man shit.

      but people will still vote for him, because people are stupid gullible suckers