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Sean Maher, Oakland’s Citywide Communications and Engagement Director told KTVU in part, "We all want safer streets, but increasing the risk to the public by installing hazards is not the solution.
Mfer didn’t know what traffic calming were.
The consequences of dangerous driving should be borne by the people driving dangerously, and no one else.
Sorry but the consequences should be borne by those idiots putting shit in the road. I understand their frustration but this vigilantism is not the wsy
What happens when an immovable hazard is met by a stoppable hazard.
Wait, no. This is not traffic calming, this is a bunch of yahoos putting obstacles in the road and congratulating themselves.
And wtf do they think will be improved by blocking the turn lane? A bigger question is why these MFers keep calling the turn lane a median?
And they seriously think it’s good that their obstacles flipped a car? wtf with that? They should be arrested for endangering or sued for the property damages.
I’m all for traffic calming measures and can see how it would benefit that street, but how about something that improves safety rather than risks danger
Ahh, i see you’re new to road design. I too are new to road design and has been ignorant for my whole life, so lemme walk you through what i’ve learn for the past few months:
This is not traffic calming, this is a bunch of yahoos putting obstacles in the road and congratulating themselves.
Nope, it is traffic calming. It use a bunch of tactic to make driver uncomfortable so they slow down naturally without resort to active enforcement, including but not exclusive to narrowing down the street, use road bump or raised crossing, and make the road
gaynot straight.And wtf do they think will be improved by blocking the turn lane?
It’s a tactic known as road diet. On that particular street from the footage, the turn lane(or median) combined with the two left and right lane are making the road too wide, this sort of encourage driver to drive fast because they feel safe to do so, making the residential road unsafe. The quickest and cheapest fix is to raise the median, eliminating the unnecessary turn lane which in turn narrowing down the street, so they plop down some dirt-filled tire in the middle lane. It also create a pedestrian island so whoever crossing the street will only need to look at one side at a time to cross, and also narrow down the street making it easier and quicker to cross. Of course the proper way to do it is to eliminate the median and narrow it down from the two side, either making the pedestrian path bigger or adding protected bike lane, but guerilla tactic often need to be quick and effective, and this is quick and effective.
A bigger question is why these MFers keep calling the turn lane a median?
It’s a road engineering term. In some place, median tend to be a reserved space that separate two traffic, usually left unpaved, or raised to properly separate traffic, decreasing traffic conflict thus decreasing accident, while also create a safe space for pedestrian. In North America it’s used as a shared turn lane.
And they seriously think it’s good that their obstacles flipped a car? wtf with that? They should be arrested for endangering or sued for the property damages.
I don’t think they feel good about it, but the driver also should feel bad about their own bad driving behaviour. If a car can hit an obstacle placed at the median and land on its side, then two thing is true: 1) they drive too fast; 2) they drive distracted. Drivers need to know they need to be in control of something weight at least 2ton pound, the consequence of it hitting someone is heavy. Replacing the tire with kids, and the story will be in different tone.
but how about something that improves safety rather than risks danger
I think safety should be applied to both driver, motorcyclist, cyclist, and pedestrian, but often time when people think about safety they almost always only think about the drivers, so they make the road wider and straight, while it slowly eats away pedestrian’s right to safety. It’s the sheer ignorance and lack of care toward anyone who isn’t in a car that rile up these people and make them take action.
It’s understandable that driver want to drive on a road without much resistance, the urge of unleashing that power is understandable, but at the same time, pedestrian doesn’t want to die too.
But y’all are falling into the same trap. Thinking anything that obstructs traffic is good for you and who cares about accidents? They happen to “those others”.
If you read my post you should see that I agree with the same goals yet disagree with the method. This ad hoc vigilantism is not traffic calming, it’s driver endangering.
A turn lane is not a road widening, encouraging speeding, this one is a poor implementation that looks like a wide open lane to someone who ignores driving rules. There are better implementations that don’t.
A turn lane is also not a median, point me to a definition that says it is. They have completely different goals and characteristics, but the problem here is cheapening out on road design such that the turn lane is continuous with the road, marked only by paint, and the paint is almost faded
Coincidentally, “The Urbanist Agenda” just did an episode on this sort of thing. They were talking about community action groups in Canada and the US who have been conducting “guerrilla” actions in their home cities. From repainting roads to add bike lanes to installing flexiposts right into the asphalt to calm traffic. They talk about the effectiveness of different tactics and how to find similar groups in your own area.
The Urbanist Agenda: What to do When Your City Won’t Fix Things (with Bike Curious)
Episode webpage: https://art19.com/shows/the-urbanist-agenda
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What’s the deal with podcasts on Nebula? I use it heavily for video, but quite like using AntennaPod for podcasts. Do I have to use the Nebula app for podcasts, or is there a way to use something else?
I watched the news report and the anchor at the end asked “what do these people want the city to do?” As if she wasn’t even watching the damn report. Why not ask the question “when will the city and the police do their job?”
Yeah that frustrated me too, like it’s their job. There are civil engineers that are paid by the city to look into this exact thing. Install a roundabout. Put up an impassable median, put in protected bike lanes, whatever. The people PAID THROUGH OUR TAX DOLLARS, and elected by OUR VOTES, should listen and act when an entire community feels so threatened that they end up doing shit like this. Unreal.
As a European its just insane how wide these streets are.
Did they want to build a highway or a neigborhood street?
US street designers and their bosses seriously need to get this “wider=better” mentality out of their head. Its no wonder people are driving this fast when the streets are this wide, its because it feels slow.
Its also bad in other ways: wasted money, needlessly destroyed nature, increased urban heat island effect and increased flooding risk because its sealed.
Not Just Bikes just put up a video about how fire-fighters and their trucks fight for wider roads while having larger trucks than the rest of the world. Perfect timing there.
This particular street is wider because it once had trolley tracks running down the middle, before the Key System was ripped out in 1958 by General Motors.
Maybe their dicks shrink even more and they need even bigger yank tanks. Better plan ahead
I watched this video yesterday and it’s the widest yet.
💖tactical urbanism💖
My city has tried to co-opt that term to mean (relatively) quick and cheap projects led (and paid for) by the community, but with city approval. On one hand, it’s better than nothing, but on the other hand, the permitting still takes like a year and so it feels more like a half-assed government project than a legitimized community project.
I can’t decide whether to be pissed off about them calling it “tactical urbanism” or to just let them have the term and call actual unsanctioned improvements “guerilla urbanism” or something instead.
“Implement basic traffic calming measures or draw 25”
I had to look up with these side shows are that the article mentions. I’ve never been to California. Anyway it’s a stupid as it sounds.
He probably drives a car.
I drive a car and think neighborhood speed calming methods are A-OK.
I drive, bicycle and walk, and think there’s a better way to safely do all three in this huge space, but not by throwing shit in the road
Shit? Sure.
Official things, like flexi sticks? Yes
